You aren’t playing vanilla. You are playing classic. It’s not a pvp game. Pvp exists for the purpose to get gear for pve. Vanilla is pre patch 1.13. that no longer exists. Also 5min queue times are a yikes. Enjoy playing a 70/30 population version of the game. Real good pvp that is XD. I’m sure SS and TM are having all out battles and epl is constantly battling for towers on era.
dead game? How is that when thousands are playing it ?!
Era is vanilla, classic (tbc onwards) is retail.
Some of us know the truth 
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Enough said. For an MMO you should be breaking over 100k easily. It’s an MMO not a SMO.
probably there are +100k playing anniversary
Then why do you guys not run the original rank system or even have chronoboons? Why be on patch 1.15? If vanilla why are u classic era? Era is classic not even close to vanilla so many changes.
We did for a long time
You are focusing on the tiny details when hundreds of gamers enjoy Vanilla pvp each weekend on Era, and have been for years.
Enjoy farming dungeon for weeks TBC, and then again in wrath, and you prob play retail so you can dress up in arenas or whatever they do there.
I think changing the rank system and removing world buffs from BGs. Also chronoboons simply just make it not vanilla. Those are major changes not small ones. If everyone can get r14 it’s a big change. Being able to store world buffs isn’t vanilla. Its modern day parse culture classic. 2.5 TBC classic has less changes then era does. You couldn’t be farther from vanilla.
And yet none of those changes impact how a 10 v 10 WSG plays out.
That is the true endgame of wow - vanilla WSG.
No timers, no rules, no quitters, just real pvp at its best that wow has ever offered
Yeah they do. Vanilla wsg didn’t have 10 gms vs 10 hwls. They also were allowed to bring world buffs. That isn’t vanilla. The true endgame is anything post 60. Not full 20 man r14 private server goofyness. Also don’t say every offered. Population proves you wrong XD
Lol we are way more geared than that on Era. Most classes only wear a few of the pvp epics and nobody uses the weapons as their bis.
A whole new meta gets unlocked at naxx and new builds become possible, the game gains a lot of depth and nuance that isn’t available with just bwl / pvp gear.
Thanks for ignoring that you have made so many changes it’s not vanilla anymore. You’re basically on a private server with custom changes at this point. If the pvp was good. Server would be 50/50 but it’s 70/30.
Yep, we are playing what vanilla would have become if it wasn’t taken over by a team that thought appeasing normies and average players would make the game better.
The true endgame, Era WSG.
You’ll see more and more will realize over time.
When will this happen? What year. 7 years later. Era 12k retail 7.1 million. Pvp ladder 3.1 million. When will era hit those numbers. Based on data. Even on the classic level. Era servers are so small it’s irrelevant. Just have cycling fresh realms on repeat. If ur bad and can’t hang just say so. Reply to me when era hits above 1mill. I’ll be waiting.
Era prob already has like 50% of the actual pvp players that retail has with like less then 1% of the population.
Brother the numbers are public. It’s absolutely doesn’t and isn’t even close. You have a peak pop of 15k this year. Total. You do not have 50% of 3.1 million players. The math is not mathing. You can argue about what pvp is “better” but to claim you have 50% of retails pvp population is crazy when the number are public info is crazy delulu
There are probably like 1000 actual pvp players on retail and the rest are just queueing to get a title or skin.
What does that even mean? If a player puts in a couple hundred arena games to get a title or mount then uh ye he’s a pvper.
No lol - that’s retail brain
Pvp players pvp for the love of it. They play for the hard games versus skilled enemies. To fight, grind, and push their will onto others and win. Or lose and learn and improve.
Queueing for a title or mount is 100% a pve player thing.
Brother ur on a server with 12k pop and a 70/30 split. U arnt pvping for competition. Retail has more than 1k gladiator’s. Top 0.1% that’s more than ur original comment. I think ur just delusional my man. Good luck in the future with that. Keep thinking era has more “pvpers” or whatever than retail. This wasn’t even the main point of the thread.