I play daggers so it’s just better for me to get 2.5 instead when I already have nearly full P4 BiS, I read its great for sword and fist rogues.
Although I have seen some impressive claims.
NOPE.
For most classes pre-raid BiS far outstrips 0.5.
The shaman set looks dope visually. Shame about all that spirit though, lol.
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It has been mathed out that you need 2 procs in a 90 second fight for Darkmantle to be better than raid gear in those 4 slots. 2 procs is very easy to get, and some times you can luck-out and get many, many more.
Just claiming “ive done the test, trust me” isn’t going to change anyone’s mind, especially those of us who actually have Darkmantle and know just how absurd it really is.
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I don’t want it, but that is mainly because baron won’t drop his damn pants.
I read the opposite, that it’s better for daggers. Even if 2.5 is better, that takes some time to acquire usually, while you can have .5 when you walk into AQ.
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Not for PVP. And if you don’t raid, why would you care about PVE performance?
Pre-raid bis is hot garbage for PVP.
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Basically this. My best friend plays a rogue and his take is that good rng makes it godly, bad rng makes it a waste.
If I was a rogue I probably would’ve gotten it.
Also I’d do unmentionable things for a boomkin to always be by my side.
I have both. It’s…ok? Much more of a catch up set than an actual noticeable dps upgrade
In short fights like BWL fights are now it’s hands down worse. The procs can’t come consistently enough to overcome the massive stats given up
It really only shines in longer fight. I think My sims show something like a 5 dps gain in 3m fights.
So while I won’t say it’s worse, I don’t think it’s a must have for a BWL geared rogue
I’ve seen plenty of rogues hitting 99 parses with dark mantle on soooooo
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One of the premier rogue players in Classic (Sarthe) breaks down the dark mantle set, and addresses wether it’s as good as it was hyped up to be or not.
I have been doing some reading on it since last night and people are all over the board on it, its truly hard to say if its any good or not. Some are saying its the best thing ever, and others are saying its not worth while.
One thing is sure, If you don’t have T2 equal gear, the Dungeon Set 2 is insane, and 100% the best possible pre-raid AQ set you can get.
This. A lot of people have done a lot of theory crafting on the math side of things and their numbers are convincing in a vacuum. Pretty sure with the right pieces equipped, you only drop something around 50-60 AP total which isn’t a ton if you get an extra couple of SS or another BS in during a fight due to procs.
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Personally though, I think people overrated it in comparison with BWL / ZG BIS. Basically, you are banking on getting those energy procs to make up for all the dps you lost on yellow / white swings due to missing the aforementioned 50-60 lost AP. To me, this means a raid should probably have a mix of people in it and people not in it so the dps floor is higher.
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Also seems like it would be more effective the shorter the fight is, but maybe I am looking at it wrong. Just seems like the effects of good RNG would have a larger sway on a smaller number of swings than it would over the course of a longer fight.
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Especially if what they say is true, @ 2PPM…
But, the testing indicates that its actually % not PPM, because PPM values are basically fixed.
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You do understand how a RNG set bonus can sway that right? A “normal” set of gear should perform consistantly better or on par with it most of the time, it’s only when they get a crazy amount of procs will it pull ahead.
And since the difference between 90 and 99 isn’t that huge the set bonus on lucky procs will make the difference.
Parses have nothing to do with your gear and all to do with how many buffs you stacked and how fast you killed the boss. Aka stacking your raid with warriors.
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so you’re saying getting 3-400 energy returned would have zero effect on your parses?
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!!!
Can I get a TLDW?
He found that it was “A little over rated”…however…
He tested it without worldbuffs, windfury and sub-optimal gearing choices for daggers. His tests were flawed. Energy becomes much much more valuable when you’re fully buffed up.
That being said, Sarthe was known for trying to say darkmantle was actually bad before all of this and is trying to hedge.
This is the subtle jab at him. Saying over and over “this was all ready known”