Would it be possible to meld Scarlets and the Argent Dawn into the fold of the Alliance?
Like some long-thought lost armada or an area where they’ve been magically stranded sort of how the KT fleet was in BFA?
It’s the perfect time. Just give them some architecture that is different, in an area already explored, like Stratholme and Lordaeron capitol.
They could begin in Scarlet Monastery, and through a series of quests could liberate all the dungeons and instanced areas of the Northern Eastern Kingdoms, namely:
1 Scarlet Monastery
2 Lordaeron City
3 Stratholme/Hearthglen
4 Scholomance
5 Andorhal
6 Gilneas
7 Shadowfang Keep
8 Southshore
9 Hillsbrad
10 Alterac Keep
11 Tyr’s Hand
12 The Scarlet Harbor
My point is that the Alliance could use some fresh bodies. Disentangle the Scarlets from Nathrezim influence and they’d be a great addition to the warfront.
Historically the Dark Irons were straight-up enslaved into serving Ragnaros. And even now, they aren’t all freed; some remain loyal to the Firelord and seek to revive him, either out of a desire to have his power on their side again or because they’re too far corrupted to change their ways.
The Scarlet Crusade was never actually mind-controlled into their villainy. As Dathrohan, Balnazzar drove the Crusade to extremism merely by encouraging the bigotry and hate that unfortunately was already there among many of Alexandros Mograine’s followers prior to the schism that led to the Argent Dawn. The Scarlets were never not Balnazzar’s creation. He founded them specifically to be what they’ve always been: a fanatical army of human supermacists who kill non-humans and non-members on sight irrespective of faction and gleefully subject innocents to death and torment, doing both “just in case” they might be Scourge in disguise.
Individuals who used to be Scarlet Crusaders may well see the error of their ways and repent, leaving the Crusade to rejoin the Alliance, but that’s just make them humans who used to be Crusaders. The Scarlet Crusade itself as an organization by its very nature can’t peaceably share the world with any faction that’s full of non-human members, let alone become a part of said faction.
Isn’t Argent Dawn supposed to be a Neutral Faction in the Alliance/Horde conflict?..
The Scarlet Crusade is of interest to the Alliance yes but the Argent Dawn has Non-Death Knight Undead among it’s members and thus is Neutral as a Faction.
There’s a very clear reason WHY they are “good” now. Moira’s child is half DI and she was the technical heir to the throne of Ironforge, and so was her offspring. So…
What would be the reasoning behind them coming “back into the fold”? They don’t have any reason to do that.
Additionally, they kill ALL Forsaken/Undead/Scourge, AND they kill anyone who disagrees with them. Considering Anduin helped create a “new” kind of “Undead”, I doubt the Scarlet Crusade (at the least) would be interested and would consider all of Stormwind their enemy.
The Argent Dawn got rolled into the Argent Crusade and help the Horde and Alliance, so they aren’t really a threat in any way.
I was thinking in a last-ditch effort or timely arrival of fresh troops from the Scarlet Remnants.
Both Horde and Alliance have no huge armadas or extra soldiers lying around.
As for their (Scarlets) xenophobia, see my other posts about the elves leaving to spearhead the preservation of their “-dorei” sub species. A third faction with all races of elves and three I made up.
No, the Alliance has been better off without those losers mucking things up. The Scarlet Crusade/Onslaught is anti-thetical to the Alliance and does not have the man power to ever be useful enough. And if it did it doesn’t make sense they wouldn’t be trying to go on suicide runs trying to wipe out the Scourge or Forsaken.
Does the Alliance really need another human race? You already have three, you don’t need more. If anything the Alliance needs to focus more on the not-humans.
And maybe not the night elves for a little bit, just until whoever has the hate-on for them gets over themselves or gets outted as a sex pest.
in my opinion, this is a really spicy topic because on the one hand…night elf NEED attention to rebuild them…on the other hand…a big part of me wish blizz would never touch them…they would only ruin them more.
Have all elves abandon both Horde and Alliance, secede to form a new world order of their own. With a few races that share their view as nearly ageless beings, all elves could vacate their factions and form a republic around an elders conclave.
But as for the Scarlets, just write in a less blindly fanatical group of soldiery and have Turalyon completely induct and absorb all humans into the Alliance would be plausible.
Really, even Dalaran and all the other former Alliance-exclusive principalities and fiefdoms would galvanize around the steadfast devotion to their protection under the governance of a general famously from the Tides of Darkness WC2.
If they go with Turalyon as Lord Commander, scooping up more humans of the original Alliance under Anduin Lothar would be fantastic.
He would basically force them to get in line and lock-step with the Alliance’s Light focus. They’d fit right in. Promise.
Aren’t they currently pushing propaganda atm? About Anduin.
Is this set up for the scarlet crusade to infiltrate the alliance with a fake Menethil heir? Maybe persuade the nobles to oust Anduin as king and insert their puppet boy king. And have Turalyon or Genn appointed as the as the kings protector until he comes of age (where have I seen this before?). Only to have Anduin return later and reclaim his throne.
Or what if, some of this propaganda is true… And some of the events of Calia’s death we’re left out. “The boy king serves at the master’s table. Three lies will he offer you.” If indeed Anduin did arrange for the outcome of Calia’s death, what then? Seems spicey.
If the Scarlets do infiltrate the Alliance, and start hunting down Calia with Alliance forces, this would help sell Calia. Her ties to the Alliance would be cut off and she would be pushed more to being a member of the Forsaken.
The Novel itself mentions that Calia has a Daughter not a Son. Calia herself states this sometime in the Novel before dying.
This fake Menethil heir of course does claim to be Arathi and the Arathi are the original Dynasty of Stormwind before the Wrynns took over.
This guy may not have a legitimate claim to Lordaeron but he does have a potential legitimate claim to Stormwind(despite Terenas claiming that Anduin Lothar was the last of the Arathi) which could give him the power to enforce the illegitimate claim on Lordaeron!
The rightful King of Stormwind and Stromgarde/Arathor taking over and starting an attack upon the rightful Queen of Lordaeron in order to claim Lordaeron would be an interesting thing to see.
It means that they are “ALLIED”. that’s a nuanced world of difference. During World War 2, the Soviet Union was our ally. That didn’t change the fact that we hated each other’s guts and thought that each other’s culture and economic system was an abomination.
As an allied culture, they’ve now gotten development besides being monster encounters in Black Rock Mountain and surrounding territories.
Horde and alliance always seem to have had ‘allied races’. They’ve had their core races. Alliance- humans, dwarves, gnomes. Horde - Orcs, trolls, Tauren. Outside of that are blood elves, forsaken, Night Elves, Draenei, who tend not to fit that well into the ‘core’ armies, but operate either independently or as auxilary forces. Similar I guess to roman legions who employed ‘allied’ or ‘auxilary’ forces in addition to the actual legion.
Incorporating the Scarlet Crusade into the Alliance by claiming all of the Forsaken territory as their own is… well, I can’t even be sarcastic about it.
It is just a term they used to justify the requirements to unlock them. Like how they refer to Humans, Orcs etc as “Core races”.
It does become annoying when you have to split DK’s into “Core races minus Pandaren” or “Allied races plus Pandaren”. All because blizzard didn’t want panda dk’s until Shadowlands.
I responded to the Forsaken leaving by giving them necropoles that can float anywhere the Horde deemed planning for. If I were the Horde I’d keep a very very short leash.
