These people and more talking about pairing up characters (including an undead guy) and Old God Rule 34… and then they treat me like a deviant here 
(quotes added for evidence in case they go all Orwellian and try to pretend it didn’t happen).
Can you see the projection and hypocrisy?
Is there a quality rule 34 for the naaru? I found one image, but it is extremely lazy. In others, the naaru serve as a decorative rather than a primary function.
Seriously, people here are talking about Old God smut, naaru smut and shipping including OOC yaoi stuff… do you think me making a Chad vs Viring meme is really so bad compared to all that?
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Thad missed the joke. One even admitted that they are gonna do it just to make you rage. Why are you taking them seriously when they said they are not being serious?
Just pointing out the hypocrisy that they give me grief over a mere Chad vs Virgin meme… then come up with much worse stuff, whether it be out of spite, a “what if” scenario or to satisfy their own perversions (I don’t think it went the way Micah hoped it would when he tried to make me rage).
Also, in case I need to remind these specific people of this next time they make spiteful personal attacks against me.
Why do you accuse people of making personal attacks against you so often? None of that was a personal attack.
M … Yes?
Naaru, Old Gods, OOC LGBT + are personal “defects of mind” that will not affect anyone.
Chad and Wiering are about “encouraged” and “condemned” types of behavior and … it is not currently valued at the expense of “inclusivity” (?).
Mda, poorly worded incomplete argument.
Probably the same reason our conservative politicians here in Australia say the same thing. They can’t handle criticism. I mean our federal government wants to bring in legislation where you can be arrested for “harmful things” you post online. The harmful things being well deserved criticism and is completely up to whatever they deduce as harmful.
You don’t have an official freedom of speech law over there, don’t you? Would that help?
We don’t have anything like the first amendment.
Which is why it is hypocritical that the “parties of free speech” want to limit free speech.
I mean they straight up delete and block you on social media. Even if what you said was constructive criticism. They only want to see praise in their comments.
We even had one federal Liberal / National MP congratulate himself on one of his own posts. Another Liberal / National MP has several and I mean several alt accounts to troll people. Basically doing what the policy is “designed” to stop. Yet that MP hasn’t received any punishment from his party. The AEC (Australian Electoral Commision) had to step in and try to put a stop to his misbehaviour. And even that is limited in its scope.
Australia is the country that banned Grand Theft Auto because prostitutes protested at Target about fictional corner workers being able to be murdered in the game
You brought up sexual activity - or lack thereof - in your OP. I am still not exactly sure why. But you started the ball rolling.
Where on Azeroth did you find a reason to suggest Darion is - or ever was - voluntarily celibate? And why does that make one dark or edgy?
You brought up sexual activity as a part of the discussion, and as reasoning for your conclusion, so it is fair game for discussion. (Well, until the Mods decide other wise)
Highly doubtful. Xe’ra was created as a throwaway character, meant to be percieved very quickly on as an example of “Evil Light”. There’s literally nothing more to her character than Light Zealot. Contrast that with the other feminine non-humanoid of the same expansion, Xal’atath; people love Xal because we see an over-abundance of personality, hints at depths, and so on. Because she was designed to be engaging, while Xe’ra was designed to be an antagonist.
Sylvanas and Yrel are not that. Both have histories and personalities. Players have reasons to view them favorably; Sylvanas through her extensive backstory and being a victim initially, Yrel from having a journey the players got to experience by walking side-by-side with her on it.
Xe’ra’s just not a real character, nor was she ever intended to be.
I could write an essay on how Xe’ra is a horribly written character. They added several story elements, then used her to shill Illidan, be a jobber for him then push this “Light bad” stuff. There is a way that can work, and what Blizzard did isn’t it; even if the naaru are being retconned from angels to Vorlons, this still doesn’t work the way Blizzard did it and looks desperate on their part.
I’m not sure she was designed to be an antagonist from the get-go. For one, a lot of the Illidan fix-fic stuff in Legion banked on a Naaru vouching for him giving him credibility. Also, her helping save the Draenei and taking the fight to the Legion is nothing more than “Light zealot”?
Then it’s like a switch was flipped and the character seeemed like a completely different one, and as if the writers were suddenly using her to vent issues with their mothers and/or Sunday school.
You and others took it much further than I ever did, regardless of who brought it up first. I know personal accountability is anathema to people like you, but we are responsible for our own actions and responses.
Honest suggestion; if you have an available character who hasn’t done it yet, replay her quest chain in Legion. If you walk in with no assumptions, she is pretty consistently saying and doing things that only antagonistic characters do to the player. Repeated slows, telling us we don’t understand Illidan, that we were wrong to oppose him, that he’s “more special” than Malfurion. So on and so forth. It become clear pretty fast that Blizzard wanted us to at minimum distrust her as an unreliable narrator at best, to see her as an antagonistic character at worst.
I meant her personality was “Light Zealot”. You’re describing an action, not a personality trait. A Light Zealot type would absolutely save the Light-worshipping draenie. That isn’t the least bit contradictory.
Don’t think for an instant I’m saying she isn’t horribly written. She’s certainly that, what little to her there is. She’s barely even a character, and what little there is to her is poorly implemented.
Speak for yourself. You will not take responsibility for bringing it up - and it is even in your OP, so it isn’t like someone interjected it. You refuse to take responsibility for the tone you set and the topics you bring up.
You bring up the sex lives of Characters with only your personal erotic head canon as a basis - so other posters wonder what on Azeroth you are talking about.
I take responsibility for my actions. I don’t mind the jokes from you or me or others. I just wonder where this is coming from? I have never seen any mention of Darion’s proclivities.
Now - if I were trying to make the joke, and I don’t say I would… I might say “Darion is a better Edgelord because he voluntarily edges for kicks, while Illidan edges because he has no choice”… that sort of conveys Illidan being an incel and Darion doing something kinky… but the voluntarily celibate thing just doesn’t make sense.
Again, I am not offended by the subject. I am trying to see where the joke came from lol.
I’ll go into how horribly written Xe’ra is elsewhere. I’ve played through that quest chain. What things does Xe’ra say or do that only antagonistic characters do? If you’re referring to the ones you cited, these are things heroic characters have also done in fiction (though what is a “repeated slow?”). If Xe’ra is brought back as AU Xe’ra and has nothing more to her than “Light Zealot”, she’s going to be as “good” an antagonist as the Jailer is lol
And yet Xe’ra allowed Draenei to practice arcane magic, let Turalyon and Lothraxion talk her into a compromise with Alleria AND worked with Death Knights (and Forsaken characters too, for that matter), Druids, Shamans, and Warlocks without complaint; zealots aren’t known for compromising.
For comparison between Xe’ra and another character: if you have an available druid, death knight or warlock who hasn’t done Legion’s artifact quest chains, replay the ones for the Scythe of Elune, Apocalypse and Ulthalesh, The Deadwind Harvester; the ones involving the priest Revil Kost. Revil complained and has to be argued - or beaten - into working with Death Knights or Warlocks… Xe’ra did it without a negative word or attempt to Lightforge us (and the circumstances of Lothraxion’s Lightforging are unknown but the effects are).
You don’t remember all the times when Xe’ra forces a slow effect on you? Gah, it’s the part I remember most about her quest chain.
But we’re not talking about books or movies; we’re talking about World of Warcraft. Whenever a character has told us how we were wrong about a villainous/antagonistic/anti-heroic character, it’s been because the speaker is a villain. Any time a character has compared a heroic character negatively in contrast to a villainous/antagonistic/anti-heroic one, it’s been a villain. Any time someone has told us that we just didn’t understand a villainous/antagonistic/anti-heroic character as well as they do, it has been a villain.
And Illidan is presented as a villainous/antagonistic/anti-heroic character.
None of these are personaility traits. I am, again, talking about her personailty as a Light Zealot. The Scarlet Crusade allows people to be mages. They had a necromancer working for them. They are definitely zealots.
I think you’re missing the entire point regarding her personality as presented in the game. What personality traits did she display other than being all about the light?
I know some people hate annoying characters more than villains, but annoyance hardly makes a character evil or a zealot. Though I wish Xe’ra had given us some "light"speed at times.
I don’t entirely agree with your assessment of behaviors. So there’s never been a heroic character in WoW who said we were wrong about a villainous/antagonistic/anti-heroic character, didn’t understand them or unfavorably compared a heroic character to one of these?
What examples do you have of villainous characters who’ve done this? I remember Alexandros Mograine and Draka telling us that Maldraxxus (which is mostly anti-heroic and has villainous or antagonistic characters) wasn’t all evil in Shadowlands. And Draven telling us we didn’t understand about the villainous Denathrius when we first entered Revendreth. And they are all heroic characters and correct.
The words and actions of Xe’ra as indicators of personality traits besides Light Zealot, such as loyalty, and Velen even called her noble after Illidan killed her.
I didn’t call Xe’ra a villain. I called her an antagonist. She was never portrayed as working with us, so much as someone using our character for their own ends. The writing was on the wall the moment she appeared in game; she’s a lame attempt at giving us a taste of the “dark side” of the Light.
No. Can you think of any?
Thad.
Maldraxxus isn’t a character. I also heavily disagree with your sentiment. Maldraxxus very quickly appeared as a militaristic zone. The “not all evil” was because we first encounter them attacking Bastion, but the zone itself (which isn’t a character, it’s a zone) didn’t present as evil.
That is contradicted by her banishing Alleria; she doesn’t value loyalty when it interferes with her whole Light Zealotry. There’s no example of her loyalty in-game. We instead see her fixate on Illidan, force her will on him for her crusade, and die.
But… That’s not a personality trait she’s displaying.