Damn, I was afraid of this

Hit by the nerf bat again----

Retribution

Nerub’ar Palace (4) Set Bonus – Wake of Ashes increases your damage done by 8% for 8 seconds (was 10%).
Blessed Champion now deals 25% reduced damage to secondary targets (was 50% reduced damage).
Final Verdict damage reduced by 10%.
Templar’s Verdict damage reduced by 10%.
Justicar’s Vengeance damage reduced by 10%.
Hammer of Wrath damage reduced by 15%.
Blade of Justice damage reduced by 20%. Does not effect Blade of Vengeance.
Blade of Vengeance damage increased by 25%.
Expurgation damage reduced by 10%.
Divine Storm damage increased by 25%.
Templar Strike damage reduced by 10%.
Templar Slash damage reduced by 10%.
Crusading Strikes damage reduced by 10%.
Crusader Strike damage reduced by 10%.
Word of Glory healing increased by 20%.
An issue causing Radiant Glory to not function with fast back to back procs has been resolved.

Why o why would they nerf our single-target abilities??? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

I had made mention of this in another post, that I had tested our abilities on the beta, hoping Blizz wouldn’t look our way.

Damn.

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Beta cycle man, specs have been catching -10-15% damage nerfs for the last few builds.

Meanwhile our cleave caught a rather large buff so our dungeon viability remains high.

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pad aoe damage means nothing, this is worst case scenario for ret

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Fortified will always be active, it’s a meaningful gain especially now that ES is meta for priority mob damage.

I’m actually switching to ret pally due to how much blizz favors them. My main this last xpack was a destro lock and that character is getting put on the shelf, probably wont even get it to max level in TWW.

Fair enough. I did the math and you’re right. But why target our single-target abilities like HoW and TV? It’s not like we’re at the top of the damage meters.

It is??? :thinking: I was under the impression it was best for single target.

I don’t know; you sure you wanna do that? We just got hit wit the nerf bat for our single target.

Yes, you can cast ES twice as much as FR to pump damage into priority (single target damage) targets. FR had its bonus to divine storm reduced, though with the massive buff to divine storm this build idk how much it changes that math.

The best single target damage spec in the game just had its ST amp mega nerfed this build too.

I’d wait to doom the Tuesday before xpac launch.

i mean your acting like ret did poor aoe when its issue was prio damage in st in keys.

I’m saying that it’s going to lose 10-12% overall damage when we lose our legendary, so this is a step in the right direction.

Pad damage or not, that loss needs to be shored up. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see ES bumped back to 30% in a future build.

probably ya, but still keep in mind ret still did massive aoe damage before lego as well. it was like the last thing trhe spec needed. i take W’s for sure but still pointless

Forgive my ignorance but I still don’t understand how ES is a “meaningful gain especially now that ES is meta for priority mob damage.” I’m assuming you mean ES is great in Raid but not M+. Or am I wrong?

And which spec was that?

This. Why they would nerf our single-target abilities is beyond me.

I never had it, so jokes on you. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I’d be very surprised if blizz did that for us.

Short answer, yes.

At least in the pre patch, we have shifted to using Execution Sentence because it’s a higher damage gain on bosses and priority mobs in dungeons than Final Reckoning is. That could change between now and release.

Aldrachi Havoc Demon Hunter.

You’ve been playing a spec that has been “tuned” around the additional damage gain from Fyr’alath, so :person_shrugging:

If I had to guess, this change has math involved from our higher scaling mastery and the additional mastery proc on EVERY target that our judgments hit. Including the ones from blessed champion.

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This is my thinking as well. Not just Judgement but everything that will scale with Mastery. I’m hearing reports that with our new Mastery and higher gear, we’re doing very well.

Or so I’ve heard. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

Really depends on the scenario.

Lets put them on equal footing then as far as CD goes.

ES is like doing 20% increase damage on 2 mobs every minute with the possibility of doing none at all if your target dies before the end of it…

FR has front load damage and increases the damage of ST spender by 30% and DS by 15%.

If we take current ES damage from logs on a boss like Volocross, it’s around 1.5 million a cast but the thing is, they use Executionners will, which you wouldn’t use in dungeon considering you’d have to give up another capstone that would have much more benefit for the content.

But let’s leave it at that to give it the best chance it can get.

Front load damage of FR alone would break at around 10-11 targets ( assuming around 300k damage per target VS 2 ES casts).

It falls to approximately 6-7 without EW.

DS damage might take back 1 additional target, but considering the damage falls off beyond 5, it’s negligible.

All in all, ES will be a viable option, considering they nerfed both of them to be less of a swing between ST and AoE.

It really depends on ES being allowed to deal it’s damage though.
Forget low level dungeon where every things die too quickly, heck I don’t even think you could use it in 10s ATM, you’d have to go in at least 12-13 to have a chance at mobs living long enough.

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The buff to WoG is pretty nice. Combine that with the personal increase to it in the Herald tree getting buffed and it could get pretty strong.

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yep, if they just nerfed builders and kept fv as is or atleast buff it by 10%. spec would have been perfect

i mean if you like spinning 1971986286681678 plates lol, ar is probably the most complex spec in the game and no one liked it. glad its dead

Didnt think Ret was good on Beta from my own testing before all the nerfs. I suppose Ret can M+ still, but pvp not so much.

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For sure, theres nuance to it that I didn’t really feel like getting into. Especially when the difference between the two is negligible-ish, but it felt worth bringing up now that theres actual choice vs being hard locked to FR.

I don’t see the complexity in choosing to use Chaos Strike before or after Blade Dance as the situation calls for. But I agree, anything that emphasizes throw glaive is cringe and I’m glad its toned down too.

Not really surprised Ret got hit by the nerf bat. But i am surprised the spec got single target damage nerfs and AoE buffs when i thought for sure it would be the other way around. Ret’s single target dps felt kinda middling.

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Why is that? It’s not like we’re at the top of damage meters. From what I can tell, DK’s are doing extremely well and still got buffed (good for them) but Blizz targets us?? Especially our single target abilities?? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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