So I’ve already unsubbed and just waiting out, but like…i was doing a skirm on my demo lock and a warrior hits me through soul link, 256 ilvl gear and unending resolve for a 20k ms, is melee going to be like this the entire expansion? Jesus christ what is this game right now. I know some specs can pump but without insane buildup my demonbolt is only hitting for 10k on geared people. Why is a warrior with 0 rampup doing 20k instant abilities through two huge defensives. For real…wat.
Rets hitting 30k tv, monks still 100 and 0ing, meanwhile my lock is hitting 13k chaos bolts and demonbolts for 10k with enormous rampup time and resource requirements…why.
What am i doing wrong damage wise? Im playing sacrified souls, power siphon, decimating bolt on low hp targets, waiting for imp and minion stacks and still hitting 10 to 12k bolts. How is that a “demo lock one shot” when a hunter can aimed shot for 25k with 0 buildup into a 15k rapid-fire.
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Warrior didn’t hit you for 20k MS for his first button press
Did you try pressing your full health shield button (usable while kicked/stunned)
Or taking gate, or using port, or asking partner (if priest) to press yoink button
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I mean, you know what you’re getting into playing Demo lock. The entire spec literally revolves around 1 CD. Yes, warriors are going to run at you and spam 20k MS because that’s just the way they are this expansion.
I refuse to believe that you’re hitting 10k demonbolts with a decent ramp (let’s say 10 imps) with power siphon and dog debuff on the target.
Unfortunately demo is a class that requires a tad more brain than others when you’re playing into people who know how your class works because you are personally responsible for creating a relatively difficult kill window into classes who create it just by running at you and pressing 123.
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…colossus smash and avatar is not a ramp up.
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Ideally you’re going for something along the lines of like piercing, overpower/ms until you get an sd proc, then send bolt into conq/spear, warbreaker and execute into sharpen.
If they’re just bolting into warbreaker instantly then that’s also fine, use something.
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It was a random skirm. Yeah of course there are things that can be done. His partner was a frost mage, who did a huge portion of the damage and i was alone. It was impossible to win…thats not the point.
Why is zugzug doing 30k dmg in the time it takes me to do one hand of gul’dan cast. Those pets literally hit for like 200 dmg bolts. The felguard occasionally hits for 2600 to 3k. And hand itself does 2k.
I need to cast hand like 4 to 5 times, which require a ton of shards, deci bolt, tyrant, power siphon, dreadstalkers, then finally demon bolt and melee gets to go —>avatar cs op op ms and do more damage in those 5 globals instantly then me hard casting and needing to kite.
Its stupid.
Yeah i used sac. The frost mage did 134k dmg and the warrior around 70k in a 15s game. I could barely get off a couple casts and a Fel guard toss and coil.
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You can dome people with back to back 30-45k demon bolts that are instant and ranged.
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I’m going to need to see videos of 30k demon bolts on geared people. I don’t believe it tbh. I’ve never gotten that high even with stars aligning on a similarly geared target.
As an edit just thought…the only chance of that is every pet imaginable out, max imp stacks, dreadstalker debuff, 199% dmg buffed deci bolt which would mean i used it on a suuuper low health target to buff demon bolt that 199%…i cant even imagine doing that under normal circumstances. That is like 3 hand of guldan spending 12 soulshards or so to generate around 9 to 12 imps, which considering generating soul shards at all is rng and slow i dont see how thats happening without alot of luck on procs.
How?
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If you’re writing a forum post about losing to arms/frost mage in a 2v2 skirmish you should probably stay unsubbed lmao
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Your supposed to play Destro and havoc double 20k chaos bolts back at him
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Bunch of warriors in here acting like they’re not overturned by a mile
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Almost any spec kills you in the opener if they press their buttons and you don’t press yours, though.
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A ret hit you with 30k TV ? on what planet? a warrior hit you with a 20k MS??? again on what planet was this lol? idk but your numbers seem a bit sus 
…a warrior 100% hit me for 20k through soul link, unending resolve and at nearly max availabile versatility. Yeah.
Bolt doesn’t hit for 20k most of the time. And @mud i dont see how it being a skirmish invalidates the issue. Are you really saying your videos last season of 35k crits was fair damage? OK dude. You can be king of the dead game, grats.
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Yeah but also coming from a warrior.
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D stance is nerfed by 50% in pvp. Just train the warrior into the ground and force his healer oom. Collect points.
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Havoc would hit each target and more than likely yeah i can pump out a lot of damage with triple conflag into bolt. Maybe on a 60k target thats 10% roughly from cremation so 6k+15 to 20k from the conflags on average. Thats around 26k high ball target plus a more realistic 13 to 16k bolt for a total of 40k and i now have blown everything.
If he isnt dead or has any healing, it is a monstrous uphill battle after that vs any melee with a healer or significant self healing and a pillar.
Compare that to charge zugzug 50k dmg in 3s plus constant never ending damage. Yeah there are sooo many destro locks in the ladder rn, lmao. You can count on one hand how often you run into them dont even lie.
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“Warrior damage is incredibly high”
“Let’s change the scope of the discussion to instead talk about defensive stance”
Okay.
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I feel like I’ve told you exactly what you could be doing to avoid dying to the first spear/conq.
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