So, I’m currently rocking Perditions, and Bonescraper for my daggers. 1.8 and 1.4. I’ve been unable to get my hands on a Corehounds Tooth, but i am ~800 rep short of Exalted with AV and having access to Lobotmizer, with Instant poison being a fixed PPM regardless of weapon speed is there any reason i couldn’t use the Lobotmizer in my OH? The proc and higher end damage would be more of a gain for me I would assume?
fast offhand really became a thing in BC. that skill that gave you energy per offhand hit. the extra poison damage is negligible between 1.4 and 1.8.
personally id use the blue AV dagger, or any other dagger with stats in offhand over the lobotmizer because itll boost your MH attacks, which is where most your damage comes from. keep in mind that ofhand only does white attacks, and is 50 percent less damage than MH (75 percent if your spec increases it)
Gotchya, so the +30 AP from Bonescraper would be worth more then the 200-300 wound proc rate from Loboto?
i think it would be. bigger backstabs, bigger crits, all the time. i guess it depends how often the wound procs, but if i had to guess it wouldnt be enough to make up for 30 ap.
yeah i more or less figured. time to pray to RNG for that corehounds to drop again (I’ve lost both that dropped so far x.x)
also have to keep in mind the debuff either doesnt work in MC, or cant be used in MC.
i havent tested myself but the current patch has 16 debuff slots. you dont want to take up one of those slots with the lobotomizer debuff.
supposedly another patch made raid mobs immune to the lobotomizer proc.
So at best your getting nothing from the proc in a raid, at worst its harming the raid.
if anyting i would use it outside of raid.
Off-hand weapon not damaging on strike also significantly reduces chances for procs as you don’t get the additional chance to proc for each of your abilities that hit.
Over the course of a fight those Back Stabs/Eviscerates etc make up for a substantial number of hits and chances to proc the weapon effect that you simply miss out on.
quick note: I had the AV dagger in my offhand and did 1 and a half hours of dungeons - i only got like 3-4 procs on it (at 295 weapon skill that was slowly going up) in that time frame. Proc rate might be.. really really low.
There is a spreadsheet on classic wow rogue discord that you can punch in all gear, talents and weapons to get your overall damage and what would be best for your situation.
since you’re probably combat spec, and most of your damage comes from white damage(doesn’t it?), you’ll want to use the lobotomizer over bonescraper and glacial blade in your offhand
in PvP, you still might maaaaaybe want to use the lobotomizer for its proc, but you may want to swap to bonescraper to proc poisons sooner
Lobot as MH isn’t an option, I have Perditions. I was mainly looking at a viable OH option, I’m about 2% crit off the Seal Fate threshold for PvE, so yeah still combat daggers
I am combat pve daggers with perditions. I ran bonescraper thru the spreadsheet and it says lobotomizer is a 4.5 dps upgrade (unbuffed)
so, not worth the offchance it could take a debuff slot. What’s this rogue discord y’all have?
Proc rate on Lobotomizer is abyssmal. Use it if its a dps upgrade only. Ignore the proc.
Have you looked at the Distracting Dagger from DM:W? +6 daggers, 1.3 speed. I can’t say for sure, I don’t Theorycraft, just making a suggestion.
I’m currently +10 daggers already, i have core leather gloves with +5 and the talent for +5
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You could always respec and use those +5 points elsewhere. Run the numbers, see if another talent would make up for the +30AP loss. It’ll kind of tie you to the DD, but it’s not a terrible choice and you can get the Muggers Belt (DM:N) later to offset it if you wanna change it.
unfortunately nothing in combat tree is worth those 5 points.
Lobotomizer doesn’t take up a debuff slot. Bosses are immune to stat decreasing effects.
If Lobotomizer is a dps increase in your offhand, use it.
could you link this for me?
to the spreadsheet or discord.