Still can’t decide which is better, sword or dagger. Been leaning toward sword for higher damage but the challenge is finding decent fast swords as opposed to 2.0 or higher. Any ideas?
Swords if you want to be effective at all. I have seen a sum total of maybe 4 Dagger players in all of Tbc, literally everyone else uses Swords, and likely for very good reason.
For rogue pve and pvp from what i see slowest possible main hand weapon with the fastest possible offhand weapon. For Combat pve swords are regarded as best, and in Arena i see they don’t seem to care what it is long as it’s fast offhand for their shiv energy cost.
every rogue i see uses the slowest possible main hand weapon no matte the game type.
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Its very difficult to find attack speed appropriate swords pre-70. I actually used 2 of the honor hold 2.1 speed swords all the way to 70. Levelling daggers as of right now is extremely inefficient, as sinister strike damage will be lower and you can’t yet mutilate from the front so mutilate spec isn’t viable yet for leveling either.
I’d recommend using the slowest, highest damage MH (whether that be sword/mace/fist weapon) and your offhand should be a high speed sword (if you’re sword specced) or a dagger if you aren’t.
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I don’t know what’s better for rouge. But I’ll tell you what’s better for rogue.
Swords are better for combat AND subtlety. With combat, the other weapons cannot compete with sword spec. This is because the superior main hand gets all extra swings regardless of which hand triggers the talent. With subtlety, you still want a slower main hand because of ghost/hemo. Not only do they hit harder with a slower weapon, but these and sinister strike build points much faster than 60 energy backstabs. This means using a sword or mace in the main hand. Btw, these are the only 2 pages you’ll max. They are best in their fields. Assassination drew the short stick. Going past 20p in it would mean giving up surprise attacks or shadowstep which you don’t want to do.
“what exactly is the purpose of assassination tree?”
-To make it appear as if you have 3 choices but in reality there’s only 2. You will either be full combat or full subtlety if you want your rogue to be worth anything. If you want to be an assassin rogue you should wait for wrath. This is when Blizzard finally decided to make it worthwhile.
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Well sounds like swords it is. Thanks to you all for the informative responses. I really appreciate the information.
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…Actually, a brush or a sponge blender is better for rouge.
Rouge? Is that a new class 
what exactly is the purpose of assassination tree? i read all these old posts from TBC early patches, complaining of mutilate’s strength in arena. they say it had big damage output and combo point gen.
Is it just a gimped spec in our patch? is it good for ganking people or something? what was the original intention of it. and is it any good in wotlk
i have a rogue who’s like 64 i tried the shadowstep ambush build back when wpvp existed on my server. it was super fun.
in early TBC Shadow step required stealth so all 3 spec’s were comparable, but then Blizz gave them step that works in all the time and that was fine but it was still overshadowed in those days by HARP rogues who could spec into prep but also had double every cool down including AR and Blade flurry and were mace spec.
Harp got nerfed, sub became king and assassination; i don’t think it was ever too popular. Actually think you’re right; looking at patch notes i see they nerfed Hemo and backstab sub talent from 10% bonus damage down to 5% as a result of rogues who uses 4pc T6 in Arena.
Haste also appears to have been nerfed for them in mid TBC to balance them vs the underperformance of other classes; looking back they might not have actually needed those nerfs and other class players needed to improve on their play skills.
looking retrospectively and at present arena; the biggest thing killing non-sub builds is the lack of shadow step. because they don’t have that, basically they are not competitive.
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yea i remember the adren rush/prep build and they all used those orange maces. they looked cool
i guess it makes sense to give us the final patch of tbc for classic. since it was the most “fine-tuned” balance-wise. but it kinda sucks we missed out on a whole tree like mutilate
It’s pretty good in Wrath. I played it for the entire time I played original TBC (which would have been very late in 2.2 through to Wrath) because I always had a friend backing me up even while leveling so I never had a problem with positioning. It had great burst damage and good combo point generation. Subtlety just has much better mobility with Shadowstep and Preparation.
One thing that I believe even though I can’t prove it - most people seem to have much better internet and are just better at movement nowadays. 14 years ago, every warlock I snuck up on would just hold S continually and back up into my daggers forever. Now I play more Feral druid than Rogue and trying to land Shred is a workout. I can’t imagine having to worry about positioning just for my combo point generator.
If you’re really rigid about min/maxing, then swords is the way to go. Combat Daggers is a few percent behind, while Mutilate is a few more.
I personally prefer daggers just because it’s part of the entire class fantasy and everything, which I’m willing to sacrifice 3% dps to preserve. I don’t like playing swords as a rogue…might as well just go Fury Warrior if you’re into that.
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There have always been rouges in the game. You could hear people talking about playing a rouge even in vanilla. Sometimes I think it’s actually a more popular class then rogue. It’s just hard to find the class on the character selection screen. Must be some hidden selection process.
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Swords are dumb.
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Wish I could go daggers, hemo swords is braindead gameplay.
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My rogue is my third alt. I’ll never raid with it or do a lot of heroic dungeons. Daggers is so much more fun as a play style I went daggers. It doesn’t matter if it’s dps isn’t quite as good as swords for me.
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