Daelin's death: A clue to the final raid?

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From Daelin Proudmoore’s wiki

He began raiding the coast and assaulting orcish settlements, but when they began to fight back he withdrew and retreated to the island citadel of Theramore. When he arrived, he was overjoyed to find Jaina alive, but found her keeping some strange company: Rexxar the Mok’Nathal, Rokhan the Darkspear troll shadow hunter and Chen Stormstout the pandaren brewmaster, all of them allies of the Horde that were with her. Daelin immediately demanded that they all be arrested, but Jaina retreated and helped Rexxar and his friends escape.

Unwilling to allow Jaina any explanation, Daelin usurped control over Theramore and used it as the staging ground for his newest campaign to have his vengeance on the orcs, but he was beaten back by their numerous allies, and was forced to retreat back to Theramore where he established a naval blockade around Theramore Isle to prevent the Horde from launching a counterattack. What the Admiral didn’t count on, though, was his own daughter siding against him. Jaina realized that her father was trapped in the past and that his vendetta against the orcs would only lead to more needless death and destruction for both sides, and aided Rexxar in destroying the ships.

The Horde then laid siege to Theramore and battled their way to his keep, where Rexxar squared off against the Admiral himself. Thrall tried to reason with Admiral Proudmoore, telling him that the Horde was no longer the same enemy he had fought so many years ago, but Daelin refused to believe that the orcs could ever change and launched himself into battle. After an arduous fight, Daelin Proudmoore, victim of his own hatred, was slain in battle. With his death, the battle ceased. Jaina knelt at the body of her prideful father and mournfully asked why he didn’t listen. Rexxar told Jaina to remember her father for the proud warrior he was.

What if Blizzard gives Jaina the same death as her father? Her naval forces bomb Orgrimmar from the sea and we battle her forces all down the coast. The battle concludes at Theramore where the effects of the mana bomb have weakened and she has heavily fortified. Rexxar squares off against the Admiral herself, Thrall tries to reason with her, but she refuses and battles us, and we have to kill her. Her last words are, “Why didn’t I listen? [to her father]” mirroring the words of her betrayal so long ago.

This could be Blizzard’s chance to kill off the green jesus as well, so that Metzen can finally be free. On a serious note, I think that a lot has to happen for this to become true. For one, Sylvanas needs to be deposed or willingly step down and Thrall needs to return. The Horde needs to appear changed, so that Jaina’s hatred appears “unreasonable” like her father’s was. (Even though her father was justified in my opinion considering his son was scorched in dragonfire and he witnessed entire kingdoms fall in his lifetime).

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Or we can all agree that the [Insert Alliance Character here] is bad and will be a raid boss type of fanfiction theories from the Horde due to them getting tired of getting their Warchiefs killed is getting old.

Like seriously. This has been going on since “Genn Greymane burned down Teldrassil” and “Jaina is the true evil and she burned the tree due to her unreasonable hatred against the Horde” and also “Alleria is the true evil Overlord because…void lol!” even after Sylvie gets a Old God Pokemon.

You’re welcome. Also the Alliance understand your hatred of the story as well.

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Given wraithion, the sword of sargaras, the dragon soul, the fact the alliance has access to a space ship with a gaint laser cannon,and the fact there isn’t a lore reason for why the alliance hasn’t retaken the undercity and the worgen homeland…

At this point dont read to much into the plot.

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Sucks to not care about the lore and story of an RPG (not that WoW is one anymore). But the writers are amateur at best. Which is a shame because they actually write stories that don’t focus on the faction war pretty well. Suramar was fantastic, and each of the self contained zones Fromm WoD to now have been great (except, again, any that involve characters we already know. cough_Val’sharah_cough). They’ve shown in some capacity that they aren’t this bad, and yet they make genuine writing errors and lore plot holes with anything involving the faction war or pre-existing characters.

Jaina’s story sees her going from interesting to boring, one dimensional, no different from any other human other than the fact she’s a powerful Mage character and gives her traits to Anduin, who is basically a retelling of Jaina’s stoey. Sylvanas is in the same boat, now being an Arthas clone with a sprinkle of Garrosh on top. The writing team seems to only deal in absolutes, and morally grey is their new buzzword to try and cool the masses.

In regards to parallels, I don’t think Jaina will die like that. I don’t think she will die this expansion at all. I still think she has potential character growth ahead of her, and I want to see it even if I don’t like the direction Blizzard directed her in. The parallel you need to be watching is Sylvanas to Arthas. I kind of hope we fight her in Icecrown and we can throw her off the top of it so she can die where she belongs: at the feet of a far more interesting undead leader.

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What makes you say that? He’s obviously willing to continue the role since he showed up at BlizzCon unannounced for the Warcraft Q&A Panel and asked when Thrall was coming back…

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I’m truly sorry but if you think real character development:

  1. Where she was Horde supporting character on the Alliance who saved them from annihilation during WOTLK’s Undercity battle.
  2. Then went on to have serious doubts about the Horde when Garrosh began his counterattacks.
  3. Then became bitter and hateful towards the Horde after witnessing the destruction of her city first hand.
  4. Then decided to try and forgive the Horde after watching the Horde and Garrosh at the trial in Mists of Pandaria.
  5. Was consistent throughout WoD where she viewed the Horde character as someone who could or could not be trusted completely.
  6. Her seeds of doubt surfaced again after the Alliance side saw themselves wiped once Sylvanas decided to withdraw the Horde.
  7. And finally she came to accept that her father might have been right about how the Horde would never relent in taking what they want for their selfish goals.

If you think that is boring, one dimensional I say we agree to disagree. That is probably not the best character development one can have but to say it’s “one dimensional” is really grasping at straws.

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I hate how people view multi-dimensional characters as being “inconsistent”.

Character’s change and develop… they don’t need to stick with a single viewpoint for their entire lives. One day I love Costco pizza, the other day I don’t feel like it… that’s not bad writing, that’s just life.

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They gave Jaina upgraded plot armor, and bigger chesticles to soften impacts. I doubt she will die, or be harmed in any way for that matter.

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The problem is, it’s a victim of poor story telling. Yes, she’s developed in a way that is interesting for the story, but the story is poor to begin with. Jaina was a fascinating character with a real struggle in Warcraft III, and now she’s the same as any other Horde hating human (Just with more hatred for Yes, a legitimate reason). I’d attest my disdain for her growth is a direct result of my hatred for the Horde story.

My complaints with her start far back, and with a poorly thought out and written story. Not just she herself. I also don’t like how they basically made Anduin a younger her, like they’re rehashing her story with him (aiming for peace, disobeying his father figure, only now starting to doubt the Horde). If the Horde does something truly heinous to him, and he ends up hating the Horde like Jaina, and ANOTHER human character ends up as the peace seeking, I’m done.

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Why would they retake Undercity? It’s a giant blight-filled sewer. Even the undead don’t live there anymore.

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Of course the undead don’t live there, the whole zone is controlled by the Alliance !

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The only bad thing about Jaina’s story is that she waited way too long for the Horde to show that they had any sense of real honour. She bent over backwards for them too many times to be plausible. And the Warcraft 3 storylines are a stain on the Warcraft franchise, which, in these days, don’t even make sense.

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Except it’s not. The Arathi Warfront currently has the Alliance stuck there and not able to push pass. That’s why the Alliance aren’t in Gilneas or Lordearon, because the Horde have them at a stalemate in Arathi.

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Warcraft III is the only time the writing was done well. Since then, the Horde has been beaten with the villain bat with rehashed stories and absolutely abysmal motivations. Characters suddenly going crazy evil for no reason (or because there’s no internal communication between quest makers, which is so much worse), terrible retellings of stories that were already disliked to begin with, and no remaining characters left from the original game other than a Barbie doll with a penchant for murder.

The lore is in an awful place right now, to the point that I think only Gallywix is making sense and staying in character. And Mekkatorque, who I’m finding I rather enjoy. But he had practically not been seen before so he was a blank canvas.

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Not that she’s not multiple dimensional, but more of its pretty typical of the Woman Scorned from Helping Heart Syndrome theme. It’s Not really compelling storytelling and is often used with female characters due to lazy writing.

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They don’t live there because the blight is toxic to both the living and the dead. No one lives there, and likely won’t be for a very long time. Sylvanas took a scorched earth approach when she bailed. The zone is no longer useful to anyone, which is how Sylvanas wanted it.

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She said it best: “You’ve won… nothing”