Customer Service Transparency Video on Account Action Process

(Note: I can’t post in my own thread, because it was moved here from CS (where anyone can post) to General (where you have to have an active account to post). So agree with me or disagree, but I can’t respond. So, if you’re asking me questions here, you’ll never get an answer.)

Hello Folks,

Blizzard has a serious problem with public perception of their account action procedures. A significant portion (not most, I am not going there… but significant, yes) of the player base believes in several myths regarding this game. And while silly, playful myths are OK, pervasive, image-damaging myths that are perpetuated by things like rumor and confirmation bias are not.

This asinine idea that account actions are automated, for one.

The ignorance and myth continue to this day because of an unfortunate fact. The uninformed community that believes in the myth spends lots of energy “proving” the myth with unrelated facts. The uninformed community then feeds off of the nonsensical “evidence” provided by others, and the myth persists. To Blizzard’s detriment.

Unfortunately, Blizzard does little in the vain of pushing back against these fearmongerers. Yes, there are short official statements from time to time, but as Fox Mulder once said, “…all of the evidence to the contrary isn’t entirely dissuasive.” Blizzard would benefit from some strong pushback against this nonsense.

I know, I know. The exact policies and procedures must remain secret so that people don’t “rules lawyer” the policies to live right on the edge.

However, it is possible to make, say, a video, featuring someone prominent from perhaps the Dev team, as well as some GMs, and just go through the process. Show no names (of players), show no specifics. Just run through the process. Here is what a report looks like from our end. Here is how we look up what you were really doing. Here is how an appeal works.

You could discuss things in the video such as the fact that correlation does not imply causation. Soooooooo many people come in here and state outright, “I was mining a node at the time and got banned!” or, “I was in the middle of attacking another player and I got a non-participation ban!”

If you don’t push the fact that correlation does not imply causation, and a player doesn’t understand that, the above can - I suppose - seem unbelievable to a player.

You could do a video, a series of videos, a series of detailed articles. Shoot (and I am dead serious), you could invite members of the Community Council or MVP program to your offices to actually view the process. One of them could then write an article on it.

Something. Anything. You guys are an amazing, legendary, awesome gaming company, and your good name is getting destroyed by ignorant players. In such places like Reddit threads where everyone chimes in and gives their (inaccurate, irrelevant, flat out made-up) evidence as to why Blizzard CS is nothing more than a machine, auto-banning and auto-suspending people left and right all day. It’s sad to me.

I don’t know what else to suggest, honestly. The never-ending stream of players that come through here, convinced of an auto-ban, stupefied because what they were doing at the exact time of receiving the ban wasn’t bannable, is far too excessive, IMVHO.

Thanks to all who read this. And have a good day, folks.

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You know full well that suggestions/feedback dont belong here there not gona be heard by the higher ups.

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Yeah, thanks Darth. I guess. Given that you have no take on what I said, and responded within seconds of me hitting ‘post’, I take it you didn’t read it.

Which is a shame, Darth. I quite respect the things you say here and I’d at least read what you posted before I dismissed it with the ‘you know better’ trope. So, I’ve edited in order to avoid this knee-jerk reaction in the future.

Do you have any thoughts on my actual suggestion?

:expressionless:

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To be utterly frank: Nothing they can do will magically change folks minds. Why? Folks getting action will claim left, right and center that they did nothing wrong and was action wrongly. No amount of showing such will change such. More to the point it’s pretty much an ‘mob mentality’ mindset. You can show it until the heath death of the sun, folks can and will believe what they want because they feel like it’ll make it better.

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Yes, but virtually no effort has been made by Blizz to push back, so we really can’t say what a reasonable amount of push-back would do.

There’s literally nothing from their end supporting their practices. You’ve got a couple CS blue quotes that make the rounds, and that’s it.

I was just positing that maybe if someone on Blizz’ team stood up and attempted to dispel some of this nonsense, it might improve things.

I mean, people disbelieve COVID and stuff. Does that mean we stop trying to spread the truth about it, give up and stop because nothing will “magically change folks minds”? Imagine if we never tried to convince people that it’s real. Would we have this control over it now? The situation would be worse.

Anyway, I am not actually suggesting magic. I am suggesting some transparency. If only to stop the absolute deluge of “IT’S THE AUTO-BAN, IT’S THE AUTO-BAN”.

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Well, in a couple of threads here, we had a few cheese heads claim the Blues are lying to us. It’s worse on GD.

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In my opinion, I think Blizz needs to be a bit more Draconian with the spreading of misinformation

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I’m pretty sure either Pearl or Mirasol stated they was invited to the Blizzard offices and shown some behind the screen stuff. Stated they was shown some things that most players get to see.

IMVVVVVVVVVHO:

Not doing something you know to be right because, “no one will believe you,” is a poor way to live life.

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I’ve grossly over-estimated my peers here. Oh, well. That’s a shame.

I don’t think anyone disagrees with you, the issue is we see people lie and twist what the Blues say to their own end. People will have the proof right in front of them and deny it because it’s not what they want it to be.

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Punishment against your account is a stacking volcano. You could go years without punishment but as soon as you do, they will use something you did years ago to justify your ban. I would know, it happened to me. Don’t do the crime if you cant do the time. Their TOS is full of loopholes so they can do whatever they want, when they want for a reason.

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You really don’t want to know how the sausages (especially hot dogs) are made, it will only make you sad.

I too want to see their process for doing mass ban waves on AV “non-participation”.

Exactly. This is about how Blizzard handles their business which doesn’t belong here or in any of the forums available on this website.

Pretty obvious then they are not looking for feedback and will not accept any.

Even if the GMs showed the whole process, people would call it fake etc.

Also cheaters / exploiters would go, “that’s how they do that!” and attempt to get around it.

They be more clear in the emails I would assume.

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Sure, but at the same time, it’s entirely silly for everything to be a giant blackbox and people get caught up (including CC members) in a mass ban-wave for playing the objectives in a BG.

A bunch of people, including those with orange text, getting banned for “non-participation” in battlegrounds at the same time gives a distinct “auto-ban” appearance, regardless whether if bans are simply done in bulk. Lots of complaints on these forums, the EU forums, reddit, etc. right now about it.

In either case, the “if your team doesn’t want you capping bunkers then you’re not participating and deserve suspended” mantra is beyond stupid. If someone is legit habitually AFK, then fine, nuke them with the orbital laser, but if they’re actively working objectives, then it shouldn’t be up to a mob whether they get suspended. It’s stupid.

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So many words for something of so little significance

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The tldr; is “blizz please show us why you’re always right and everyone else is always lying”

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House always win.

Five stars just for this.