…once again. The OP stated that FFXIV was a less toxic game.
I asked the OP his experience playing FFXIV. Then you jumped in. There was a conversation taking place before you replied to me. Its where someone stated FFXIV was a less toxic game. That was the topic of my reply.
You say that, yet, it is not what you see on YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, and gamer news.
SL had some time in which the most optimistic would amount to a significant force into “it will be better eventually”. Now, the general sentiment, paraphrasing Taliesin, it is a Fish Show.
I gave this an answer.
But I think we agree that toxicity isn’t exceptional to one game over another.
Yes. Your answer was largely irrelevant to what I was talking about…to what you replied to.
Yes, I just figured you’d be talking to the person actually saying FFXIV is less toxic.
To be fair, I thought you were trolling and attempting to push the narrative further. It is what it is.
I rarely see ‘toxic’ people in the game.
so you go ahead, I don’t have a problem.
they don’t really have PvP - PvP players tend to make the game more toxic (or any competitive players).
FFXIV is not less toxic, just toxic in different ways.
Facts. There are some actual psychopaths in that community.
I have pugged all of my progression. I have 130 timed runs across m+ levels, 70 over the 15+ lvl, 8/8 N/H. I just have not encountered this, in any meaningful quantity.
I’v seen annoying players, but it’s rare. If someone is encountering it all the time, that person is the common denominator.
Because it’s more or less a fiction. Are there toxic people in WoW? Absolutely. But the problem is OP, and many others take any slightly off color, or non-enthusiastically nice comment as being mean hearted and nasty. It’s a freak level of hypersensitivity that has been cultivated because folks LOVE being victims.
Depends on the FF content you push. Watching my coworkers attempts and listening to his pug stories at whatever the mythic raid versions of FF fights are called, it’s no different.
The problem is what people call toxicity.
And it goes to anything they are using this term lately.
Someone calls other people toxic when they value stuff they dont, and dont value what they do. Far from the real meaning psychology gave to toxic originally, which is a bitter behavioral pattern that spread itself by being acted upon.
It is encapsulated by my people on the “You are angry” example.
Someone keeps telling you you are angry every two minutes, when you have enough of that, the person says “I knew you were angry”. That is toxicity lately, and it spreads because of that behavioral pattern from people who cannot accept other people have fun with that which they dont. Like Count of Mount Cristo character says, “you are always looking to the next whistle”.
This exactly. People are hyper sensitive. Like they’ve never had something said to them that wasn’t “you’re the best”.
In my opinion dragonflight is worse then SL in m+ aspects of the game. World content is nice but the rest is garbage
Well, given that it is often the posture of people that never excelled in anything, I guess they actually heard that a lot and that is why they are sensitive. People who never heard they might not be the best are mostly narcisistic and entitled.
People often hide those things, but I never met someone who is “hypersensitive” that is not also a serial failer and quiter.
WOW is a snapshot of IRL.
People in general are getting worse and more self centered.
Another thing that’s been overblown recently, and may or may not have to do with FF becoming quite popular, is the idea of calling someone out for playing poorly (bad damage, bad threat management, bad mechanical play) is toxic. In FF telling someone their damage is bad is not only a massive social faux pas it can literally get you banned b/c of mod use, but also there are very few actual hard number checks in that game that necessitate actually playing decently.
WoW isn’t like that, there are genuine numerical breakpoints you have to be able to hit in order to accomplish some endgame activities, and if your performance is hindering the 4-29 other people in your group, then you’re effectively wasting everyone’s time. It’s not toxic to tell people they are playing poorly, it is however extremely toxic to assume that your groupmates will continue to carry your lazy/incompetent butt to victory.
If you’re bad at the game, and you’re actively participating in team based content, people are gonna tell you.
I play every day and I just don’t see the toxicity. The only place I see that is here on the boards. I just don’t understand the superiority complex so many people here have and they’re just proud of how they act.
Maybe a server change would be a good thing to try before you give up. I’m on a low pop RP server where several other servers are sharded in so there’s always someone to assist/help.
That is not recent in any measure. This started long ago when the FIRST METER became popular.
That is even why they are forbidden and a banable ofense in FF.
But WoW invites toxicity from every angle of it:
