I don’t understand how we can have Prot warriors who are absolutely dominating the game at high level content but we can’t play hunter at high level M+ or Mythic raiding.
Lets start with M+:
Our entire existence right now is based on a Low drop rate bow that if you go into high Mythic + groups you can’t even proc correctly because of bad affix weeks like explosive. BM hunter AOE is god awful and if you’re playing M+ you can’t spec single target because trash is king in M+. Our survivability is by far the worst in the game and if all you provide for a group in M+ is lust you’re constantly rotating pets to have any chance of surviving with the additional health passive and our 2 minute cooldown which is Fortitude of the bear.
Raid:
Obviously on single target bosses like Terros we are going to have high numbers cause 90% of the fight is stand and bang. But 90% of Raids have become trash pulls.
I’m not going to sit here and pretend I’m a dev or that i have the answers to fixing this type of stuff but we entered dragonflight with warlocks being god awful and you managed to tune them up and make them viable again. You currently have both Evoker specs the best at ranged dps and healing. I understand its a new class and its what your expansion is built on but its inexcusable to completely turn the blind eye to hunter mains. The last week alone since the changes to hunter we currently have all 3 specs sitting in the bottom 9 of all classes and specs.
I’m not going to level up a new Alt to be able to farm high level content but I’m also not going to continue to waste my time playing a game i love because the only class i enjoy playing is absolutely handcuffed.
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If your aoe is dogwater you are playing BM wrong. A good example our ilevel 403 BM hunter is hitting around 150k on Primal Council. Also what do you consider high keys? This BM hunter is also doing keys 22+. While hunters may be lower on the tier list…the middle of the tier list are separated by less than 4% damage. Perhaps you need to play a little bit better.
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So your BM hunter is doing what the top 22 BM hunters are doing? Highly doubt it and 4% gap difference? Boomies are putting up 200k on that fight. MM hunters are putting up 200k on that fight. Please stick to classic wow
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No that BM Hunter is not. Especially at that ilvl. False statement.
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Source: Trust me bro. I dont know why i bother but checked there noone below 406 on top 200 BM council parses on heroic. So anothed liar on forums…color me surprised.
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Sorry he got up to 403 last week. And there are many 403 BM hunters hitting 140k+ on that fight.
It doesn’t change the fact that BM hunters are terribly weak right now. BM was almost always weak, but if you played a little better than the average you could still manage and even do high(er) 20s random.
Right now as BM hunter you are happy when you do 180k-200k AoE damage on a good big pull (using vial and pot, fully enchanted, gemmed, etc), until an evoker (or Prot Warri ^^) comes around and does 400k+ on the same pull and you check them out and they are not even fully enchanted or gemmed or using vials or pots or or or… feelsbadman
Only the SV hunter specc is weaker, but since they meleed it, it shouldnt exit as a hunter anyways 
Blizzard PLEASE BUFF BM hunter!
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So now he rose 3 item levels and lost 10k dps? Has “the bow”? If he played MM or played any other class or spec he would be at 180-210k. Its hard for me to name a spec that does less aoe than BM. Someone enlighten me if you think of one
Edit: im down to 1800s on heroic primal council US and EU…403 to 405 item level. Not a single BM hunter so far…ill keep scrolling down some more. Maybe this guy witnessed a 100 ilvl parse in his raid or maybe once again…he lied. Which is more likely
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I found his main, I won’t link him here cuz his guildies haven’t done anything but I went looking for his guild logs cuz I struggle on council and wanted tips.
found three primal council logs in his guild’s public archives and in none of them is a bm doing more than 97k, so looks like he’s mistaken. saves you scrolling thru the archives tho!
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Mistaken is a nice way to put it. I would tend to say something else lol. Like full of something…
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He’s just flat wrong. No BM Hunter is sustaining 140k dps on Counsel (a 4 target fight) at that ilvl. MM hunters can - which makes me think this dude thinks a MM Hunter is BM….
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Eek thats awkward, lying through his teeth and caught out in 4k.
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just simmed for fun my BM hunter with “THE” bow. Even the normal version of that bow is an almost 6k dps push! seriously blizzard? 1 item = 5.7k dps difference? The heroic version would give me a push of 7.2 k. That’s insane!
I didn’t even want to sim the mythic bow, because I’m not gonna get it anyways…
Depressing for non Raiders…
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Sadly non raiders have a much better chance at it than alot of raiders. Almost anyone can pug normal and raz at this point. So thats 1 chance from the kill and 3 normal vault slots which have a chance for the bow. You skip all heroic cause you want 3 normal slots in vault.
Now heroic raiders that may pug normal rasz kill get 1 chance. They have to raid with their guild and prog thru heroic that week and kill 7 out of 8. Now they have 3 heroic vault slots…0 chances at bow.
Someone on here keeps saying they know someone got a bow without killing rasz and it was not from loot box. At this point in 10,000s of cases there is no actual proof of that.
So youre actually screwing yourself over by raiding with your guild.
Somone said they had all normal vault filled up and got heroic bow despite not ever beating rasz ever on heroic. One of those trust me bro cases /shrug
^ I’m 412 and I normally pull around 120-130k on the council fight. There is another BM hunter that runs with our team sometimes and pulled 150k dps last week. I think hes 415 Ilvl tho. 403 Hunter must be a literal god 
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BM Hunters could definitely use some love and a buff in the AoE department but I don’t think we are as terrible as you’re making us out to be. BM isn’t “bursty” like a lot of other popular M+ specs that you’re competing with on the damage meters. Add in the convoluted rotation and ramp time, and yeah… it can feel pretty bad at times. BM’s damage profile is really consistent and smooth without too much variance to either side of the bell curve. Offensively, we are limited. Maybe the lack of burst is why you feel the AoE cleave is so awful?
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THIS. A stiff breeze in a 15+ key (at 412ilvl) is about all it takes to kill me lmfao. I usually run with guildies and our healers prioritize healing me over other DPS because of how squishy we are. Using a Spirit Beast remedies that slightly, but the passive 8% HP that we get isn’t quite enough. Survival of the Fittest (w/o talents) provides the same % of damage reduction as a DH’s Blur for triple the CD. Exhilaration (via Rejuvenating Wind) offers decent HP recovery at the cost of other useful talents and utility like Misdirection and Improved Kill Shot. Fortitude of the Bear is sacrificed if the group needs a lust and greatly reduces our survivability. There isn’t any passive damage reduction outside of the talent, Hunters Avoidance. Defensively we are weak. A lot of what they have made into talents should have been baked into the kit.
Also, why is Bestial Wrath on the GCD?
Off topic: Does anyone ever use Sentinel Owl? What a waste of talent space. Our trees are poorly optimized.
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The data doesn’t lie. BM is literally the worst AOE class on council. Even WITH the bow. And people without the bow, are doing significantly worse than that.
You might think your personal performance is doing “big” numbers, but every other spec in the entire game is capable of doing better on AOE then you. Just because the people in your particular raid aren’t doing as well as you, doesn’t mean s*** in the grand scheme of gameplay balancing.
Stop sticking your heads in the sand. Stop comparing your personal experiences to proper class balancing. Anyone can group with players of less skill and lower ilevel, and beat them. It means nothing. All you’re doing is skewing the feedback to blizzard.
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