tl;dr Can’t need on transmog in LFR/Normal/Heroic b/c im mythic geared.
At this point in the patch/expansion, I’m someone who joins normal and heroic pugs/LFR for the sole purpose of farming transmog, these loot changes (see below) have effectively killed this method of appearance collection for me and others like me.
Fixed an issue where players could unconditionally roll Need on Set Tokens. The system will now check if the player owns the Token or the Set Piece itself at equal or greater power.
Players can no longer unconditionally roll Need on 1-hand weapons (or 2-hand for a Warrior in Fury loot spec).
Developers’ note: The system will now thoroughly identify if you can dual-wield the weapon in question, based on your loot spec. If you can, and you already have two versions of it at least as powerful as the item being rolled for, you can’t Need the item.
As of this writing i’m a 4/8M fury warrior with 414 ilvl, and I have frequently joined pug groups and LFR for the sole purpose of obtaining transmog items.
There is no longer a point to queue into LFR and help carry groups through content. Previously this expansion, when a group I was in killed a boss it would have a chance to drop an item whose appearance I wanted, at which point I would have an opportunity (same as everyone else who could equip it) to roll on that item for a chance at obtaining it. This is now no longer a possibility. The raid finder set (which I like, more than the mythic set which i’ve almost completed anyway) is virtually no longer obtainable until it becomes soloable in 2-4 years.
The only other method of acquisition would be to make another warrior alt, level it to max level, do the least amount of content to get the bare minimum iLvl to queue into LFR then queue for LFR as a bottom floor player and then do nothing else with the character until the LFR lockout resets and then spam LFR week after week until I have my items, then do the exact same thing for normal and then heroic.
Obviously the changes’ intention was to prevent loot theft from players who need it. They don’t want someone like me taking a tier token away from a 3/5 player who just needed 1 more piece for 4 set and it goes to a warrior who is going to disenchant/vendor it the second it hits his bags. That’s fine and I find that goal totally reasonable and even desirable.
The problem now is that there is no longer any incentive for me (and players like me) whatsoever to queue into LFR or join non-mythic PUGs and help them clear content.
Is it possible to add some form of incentive back into the game so where i’m not just doing mythic for the rest of the patch on my main? Perhaps a transmog currency that would let me collect an appearance-only item from a vendor that drops from bosses from that difficulty. That way I could still get my transmog and the LFR players don’t have their loot going to someone who technically does not have any need for it.
Loot is going to people that actually need it for performance instead of looks.
Without you carrying them in the raid, players will be forced to perform/improve their play. That is better for everyone.
In this particular instance, I see no issues, with these loot rules.
There have been several solutions proposed for transmog farmers, including your idea, hopefully, Blizz comes up with something that works for everyone.
Gear is required to progress through the game. Mog has no impact on gameplay.
Gear is a relevant upgrade for MANY in 10.0, and rolled on/wanted by many right now. Gear from VoI will not be needed by most anyone in 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and god forbid 10.4 (aka it turns into Mog after this tier).
You’re not some righteous, selfless hero for “carrying” LFR/Normal/Heroic just to steal their gear. You’re just a piece of
But gear can be acquired through a variety of different methods. With the catalyst tier is easier than ever to acquire.
Also it’s not stealing at all far from that. They are participating in the boss kill and have every right to the equipment that drops. Why do you feel entitled to these pieces just because you suck at the game?
Why even roll it off in the first place? Let’s just give it to the lowest Ilvl person every time because they will get the most “value”.
Just so you know, the OP is complaining that he cant take gear from Normal AND Heroic raiders for transmog, not just LFR.
Normal Tier gear is better than most stuff besides heroic tier gear or exetremely high ilvl stuff. And Heroic gear is just end game and unless you’re doing like 16+ you won’t get an upgrade from anything else.
If the OP wanted that gear he could just get his group together and farm it out as a transmog run, but he wanted to go into peoples pugs and take the actual upgrade gear from other people.
Nevermind he has done Heroic and Normal so unless he was god unlucky he already has most of the transmog from that place.
This isn’t some “LFR people suck and don’t deserve the gear I do” This is him admitting instead of just getting what transmog he is missing with his raid group he instead tricks Heroic pugs into inviting him so that he can steal the gear. Unlike LFR most of the people in those groups are skilled and pulling their weight.
Nevermind that creation Catalyst is out, he can just grab some low ilvl M+ gear then catalyst into normal/Heroic tier.
And if they aren’t going to get loot from their run because someone is griefing them then why even have gear drop from raids. You may as well just remove all gear from raids and make M+ the sole gearing option.
How many LFR groups for castle nathria do you think were going on during Sepulcher? I know the answer because I stayed online for an entire day during that time to find out the answer was zero.
I am not claiming to be anything but my presence in LFR/Normal/Heroic raids makes them easier since i’m mythic geared. This is just an indisputable fact. I think the forums could do without personal insults as I made my post and follow-up comments in good faith.
Why do you feel entitled to the loot though? My only requirement is that you participate in killing the boss. Ya’ll keep moving the goal posts. Not getting a piece of gear that’s rolled off is not “getting griefed”.
That would be cool, but I feel like that’s a bigger ask than having a transmog currency that is a guaranteed drop off bosses. I don’t know if Blizzard wants mythic raiders to effectively help boost LFR/Normal/Heroic at all. Or if they want those groups to not have assistance from players with end-game gear.
I don’t want to take gear, so this ‘complaint’ is fundamentally not about that, I ONLY WANT THE APPERANCE I DON’T CARE HOW I GET IT.
How do I do that for LFR gear? By the time LFR came out I was already like 400+ iLvl.
Again, I don’t want to take anyone’s upgrades, far from it. I just want the appearance. I do not care about the actual item.
Across mythic, heroic, and normal I have 83 logged boss kills (TOTAL). So no “he already has most of the transmog from that place.” That’s not true. How much tier do you think I got from the first four months of the raid coming out from doing full clears with my guild. I didn’t get 4set until week 4 (ON ANY DIFFICULTY). Let alone be lucky enough to get transmog pieces. But now that i’m mythic geared I expected to be able to get transmog from joining PUGs and LFR but I can’t.
I ALWAYS put in the note that i’m there for transmog and transmog only. I almost always get invited. Nobody actually cares when you’re geared and know the fights and they have one less person the RL has to worry about to not die or get others killed.
This is sometimes true and also sometimes not true.
“The Revival Catalyst has charges which are capped at 6.”
At least 3 of those charges are for catalyzing actual DPS upgrades for my main spec so I can move pieces around. So I have 3 charges that I can use for transmog, alright sick what about the 12 other tier pieces?
I DON’T feel entitled to anything. All i’m saying is that I would like the appearance. If I get it from a loot roll all I want is the chance to roll on it just like everyone else. These changes make it so I can’t even roll on anything besides some high-end mythic raid gear which is loot counciled anyway.
I would much rather prefer if the game had an appearance-only transmog currency that had a 100% drop chance from bosses that I could then go to a vendor and get the appearance. I would then still queue for other difficulties and farm the gear that way. It’s the best of both worlds. The people in the groups get the gear they actually need and I don’t touch it and they get someone who knows fights and does a lot of damage to help them through content.
You may not want to take it but the point of what they did was to stop that from happening. Yes there should have been a way for you get transmog without taking the gear, but people have been asking for things like this for a decade. Blizzard does not care and will never change this.
If you want that LFR gear you’re going to have to make an Alt.
If you want the Creation Catalyst gear without wasting your mains chars, make a second warrior and he will have 6 charges, thats 9 charges right there including your 3 from transmog.
Does it suck. Yes. But the other options is either begging to the void for blizzard to stop being ridiculous with how they go about transmog(and other stuff not related to this) or them to revert the change which screws people over more than not getting the transmog.
Edit: I just remembered Creation Catalyst does make LFR apperance. I think it requires 1/13 ilvl gear. So you can grab main set pieces from +2s then when uncapped valor comes just max them out so you grab every apperance.
I think being totally unable to get something is getting screwed way harder than having someone roll on a measley 389 ilvl piece you may use for two weeks but you do you buddy.
I spent the entirety of late season 3 (before fated raids and dinars)/the entirety of season 4 doing LFR of all raids, eventually doing them all on 7 characters total (This is around when I came back to wow). Queues got long in season 3 but they DID pop. Season 4 it was obviously extremely easy all the up to dragonflight release (I wouldn’t doubt blizzard brings back something similar to Dinars in this xpac).
That being said, a transmog piece that is acquired one or two expansions later has the same value as one acquired now.
I apologize.
I stand by thinking it selfish to want to roll against people trying to gear their toons, for a cosmetic. However, I also support the idea that you should be put into the offspec need bracket instead of pure greed, that way you’re rolling below people that need it for gear and above people that are just going to vendor it.
For what it’s worth, there is non-raiding as ways to unlock the class set appearances.
THe LFR set is unlocked by simply converting the Primal Storms gear into tier through the Inspiration Catalyst, if I understand right. M-0 pieces might also transform into the LFR set, but I haven’t personally tried that.
In addition, as you go up M+ keystone ranks, the pieces become Normal and Heroic class set pieces through the catalyst instead. If it works the same as Shadowlands, you can also pre-convert the M+ piece to tier, and later upgrade it with Valor, and when you cross the threshold from (for example) Normal to Heroic set, you will have unlocked both versions.
From a game systems PoV, there should certainly be a way they can decouple having to actually loot the item to unlock the appearances, and it seems like with the current Need/Greed rules, it would be a smart idea.
Just throwing this out there, but from what I have seen you can only get the LFR transmog appearances by converted gear obtained from LFR in the catalyst. The 385 storm gear converts to 385 tier gear but uses the normal mode appearances for the tier.
Unless I’m missing something, the LFR appearances are actually harder to get than the normal versions now.
Huh, I stand corrected if that’s the case. World content has always only unlocked LFR versions in the past. It might be a bug tho, 385 matches high-LFR, and is lower than low-Normal which starts at 389
Getting the lowest-rank Mythic gear is of course the other option, and that is technically farmable.
This fixes nothing… If he makes an alt with the sole purpose of farming lfr tmog gear the gear still isn’t going to someone who “needs it”, its going to an alt of his that will also never use it.
True, but it’s unlikely to cause drama if someone sees a lower ilvl person needing on gear that is technically a upgrade for that character. Unless he started bragging about it in the raid chat.
Also I wrote that before my edit which mentioned that as far as I am aware you can still get LFR appearance from base or low ilvl M+ gear.
Then i’m just “stealing” gear from different content, and arguably a place where someone would be more upset than LFR. And to get a 2 key i have to downgrade my key every single time or take the gear from PuGs that I would normally trade.
M+ is personal loot. its really back to what we had before all this transmog and loot arguing happened. No one will care if you get an item then not give it. Hell with you being Plate its unlikely you will ever have anyone in your group that is also plate besides the tank.