isnt enhance top of retail at the moment
Couldnât tell you, never played beyond WotLK. Kaazy made the statement Iâm asking for a reason.
shaman have been famously bad for nearly 20 years worth of wow and only on top for like half a week every so often .
sod took a break from that though it started out really rough as in p1 they were only really good tanks and not much else.
it would be nice to remain competitive though , maybe not top spot but in the top 5 would be nice.
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Doesnât matter how they are in other versions of WoW, no class should be blatantly op as shamans were in SoD. Just like warriors donât deserve to be weak DPS in SoD just because they were good in era. Also there have been plenty iterations of strong shaman outside of SoD that didnât ruin the game in the way SoD shaman has lmao
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The shaman cope is unreal. Class has been broken for most of SoD, and was always insane for PvP and raid utility.
If you wanna talk about a class being hated itâs warrior. Weâre so hated you guys have to make up how âgoodâ the class is to be mad about it being good. Weâre so hated even when the class is terrible (literally all of Wrath until a Legendary and bis gear) weâre told âyou were good in classic, you have to be bad for onceâ. Disregarding the 20 years of mage rogue being the most dominant PvP classes in the game, by the way⌠I guess because most wow players are awful at PvP and thus donât have to deal with them?
it was op for 2 phases (really 1 and a half phases as ele diddnt get the buffs till half the phase) .
p2 way of earth and dual wield rb were absolutely busted (though not as busted as hunters pre frost trap luncher removal) and p3 ele shaman were very very strong though not as strong as p2 way of earth dw rb shaman were.
p1 they were dog crap in all but tanking and p4-5 they were strong but not getting above 4th place in the pvp rankings.
i agree on the warrior front to be honest cause i dont think something being historically strong or weak/nerfed should dictate current and future decisions of the class .
warriors have been very good in pve at least on the rankings for most of sod though.
The problem is the ranking donât reflect the actual experience on warrior. The parse fiends are using the gnomergan crafted helmet for an attack speed active of 20% plus trying to stack engineering chicken buffs for 5% haste each(4-5 is the current target Iâve seen thrown around), and then killing a mythic raid boss 30 seconds to a minute faster than my guild does on heroic. (I parse mid-high 90âs myself). That gap is insane. Insurmountable even. Yet warrior is looked at like that is the normal expected requirements to perform.
Itâs a huge problem that all of that goes into performing well in raid while the class is a total joke literally everywhere else.
well it really would only matter if the avg warrior is very low and the tippy top warriors was just nutty.
like so nutty as to be thrown out with the rest of the trash and really only go live as an argument in what the absolute best of the class is capable of .
having 100% crit or whatever the top parse is isnt really achievable by alot of people and some of the other insane feats .
i do remember though nearly every time i looked at the dps rankings chart they do that the avg warrior (talking middle of the charts warrior) was high .
and again. i agree they dropped the ball on warrior design. they couldve done so much but instead added in flat % damage done to alot of the warrior abilities that they went back and nerfed later , when they couldve added in playstyle changing abilities that were different and even something like heroic leap or something.
i dont know.
i dont play warrior but im sympathetic to your plight.
They just overtuned all the new abilities. Thatâs literally it. You canât have a game design where even 500 damage is a significant number and then have people hitting for 4-5k. It skews things in really weird ways.
Warrior then didnât get any of the new overtuned stuff because SoD is about everyone else being just as good as warrior was in Era. And so now warriors are stacking 20% damage, 10% damage, ANOTHER 10% DAMAGE, 10% crit, 20% attack speed, 5% attack speed (3-4 times), another 20% attack speed, 10% ap, and 12 seconds of 100% crit and then killing a boss in 60s or less. The top end gets crazier the more of those you can stack and the faster your kills get (which isnât just the warrior getting more gear but specs like ret 2-3xing their damage with a new tier set for example) and then a sharp fall off the worse the warrior and its raid performs.
Also this tier specifically warrior stands out on Overall due to twin drakes counting while Chrommagus doesnât. Iâm not sure really why it counts, itâs massively overinflating warriors towards the top who are in raids that can cleave them though.
Not another âI suck at WoW, buff my classâ threadâŚ
Thereâs like 4 or 5 feral ones going on the cata forums. Itâs a real treat seeing the same 3 people begging for buffs.
That Ele Sham who is #7 in P5 would have been #4 in P4
I reckon a big portion of Shaman players from phase 2 to 4 were FoTM players wanting to dominate in PvP.
We can see a drastic increase in hunt/drood players atm who most certainly were shaman main up till now.
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this is being dishonest even if only for the pve struggles (as the pvp is hotly debated) .
i remember parsing high purples to oranges in tbc classic on my ele shaman and being quite a bit under low blue parsing players of other classes on the raw damage output.
it feels bad doing near the max that you can do and being lower than people performing mildy above avg .
it would be great if they could make us top 5 on the charts .
and its not an ability to play the class that is holding shaman back on the charts to the low spot they are in right now.
I donât have words for how sad a grown man (or woman) must be to complain that their video game character doesnât do the highest numbers
being invested in the performance of your character in a game that requires alot of time invested almost as a matter of course, isnt a bad thing worthy of scorn.
you have confused yourself if you think wanting to do better in anything in life is a bad thing.
Waaaaahhhh Iâm a grown man having a tantrum because corporation wonât make my specâs numbers big enough to compensate for my lack of skill
lol your childish taunts fall flat when ive been nothing but rational and reasonable in every one of the posts in this thread.
you should really look into yourself and your own feelings as to why you have to resort to such insults.
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corporation why wonât you make me the best
When MC was finishing up, most classes were closing in on each other. The issue for Shamans is they have zero scaling. Every class has scaling besides Shamans now. DoT classes can crit finally, warriors only get better as the expansion goes on, all healers have better mana control than shamans.
SoD should have removed the utility holding back issue of classes and made utility useful in all classes. They someone did that by giving kings to horde and WF to alliance. But overall, the issues for Shamans in Classic WoW are still visible in SoD.
Runes are where you can fix this and I basically show cased 2 runes that have piss poor scaling that are the main rune damage shamans have: Lava Lash and Lava Burst. Both of these runes scale horribly as compared to all other classes.
2h Enhance has no new ability to use. They literally AA swing and can storm-strike every 6 seconds instead of 20 seconds.
Elemental Shamans still are easily beat, also if you counter their nature spells, it apparently prevents all totems from being used so you can lock them out of use of totems which I found out in my last pvp match.
Resto is just not very good outside raids that deal aoe.