Cross Faction, add queueable content

We already have BGs where you can queue up as members of the opposite faction, so cross faction play tech is already in the game, and works really well…
So why not just let it be for any queueable content? Is this going to just be a test period, and they plan on expanding it? Or are they really doing to do it dirty like that? Is there something I am missing?

It seems pretty simple to use a bit of technology that is already being used often in the game, and I can imagine toggling it on/off for dungeons, to help adjust queue times, and would likely solve the faction divide that is happening in pvp (or at least help out a good bit) and that is a problem that is getting super old, when 6/10 BGs are just the horde camping my entire team at the gy after two minutes…

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Presumably they want to keep it as an optional feature so that some sense of faction identity is maintained.

When you queue in merc mode, your character actually becomes a race from that faction. You aren’t just plopped into a BG with random Hordies in Halloween masks (though that would be pretty funny).

Besides, I assume that the role distribution is similar on both factions, so combining the two wouldn’t improve queue times.

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Only if it’s off by default.

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Presumably, why cant you have a check mark box on the queable content box that says “opt in for cross faction random content” gives the option but still makes it “optional”.

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Yes please!

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Wait so you’re telling me that cross faction is only applicable in Mythic+ and the likes? Color me a sad cookie. I thought it was like this all along. A checkbox for optional cross faction gameplay across the board.

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I mean, if they can re-shard the entire World of Warcraft and allow us to use Warmode and we have spy mode, then there is no reason why they can’t do this as well.
I like the toggle idea. Most things should just be a toggle.

@ Wigglytüff I have nothing to add to that lol. Pretty spot on.

That is exactly what is happening.

I think they want to wait and see how cross faction goes in 9.2.5. There’s no reason not to bring it to queued content really other than probably BGs. But cross-faction guilds should definitely be a thing if we’re allowed to run mythic together.

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Incorrect. Cross faction only applies to pre made groups such as lfg tool for m+, pre made pvp, pre made raids etc.

It does not currently apply to queable content there is no opt in for it

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Okay, but then you go on to say

So do you want cross-faction or no? Because guilds also run dungeons, and mythics, raids, bgs, arena…Almost like guilds do more than raid.
Either you want cross faction play, or you don’t. Doing it half-caulked like that is one of the problems we have in this game a lot, and it is kind of ruining it.

Staggering a release for a new feature sounds great, but let people know that it is in fact going to be staggered, as opposed to a permanent feature. Communication is key to any successful relationship. Ours is “buyer/player” and “seller/dev”. Them communicating, in a game like WoW at least, is paramount to success.

But that is not the issue here. The issue is just simply adding cross-faction play to more than just HALF of the game. Some people are never going to raid, some are never going to do RATED pvp, and even fewer still are going to worry about doing Mythic + enough, or at a high enough level to need/want cross faction play…or really to even care in the first place.

By doing it for only guild/rated pvp/mythic plus…it just sounds like they are making another mistake like Flight… An overly vocal minority cried all day every day for months in the forums, so eventually Blizzard took it out for that reason and for cutting corners…but that’s a different topic… This time, it is just Blizzard catering to the super minority of people that are NOT ONLY in a guild, but an active guild, and one that regularly raids, knows people on the other faction, is good friends with people of the other faction, and the other people are also in a guild, and also are raiding, and also have the same or similar skill levels, and progress levels and gear levels and and and and and and and…The deeper you go into how limiting this actually is, and how small of a population of people that actually is (making grand statements, so understand hyperbole) the more you realise that its pointless to NOT impliment it in all facets of gameplay.

Honestly, it’s about time we stop fighting each other anyway! We have way bigger issues to worry about than factions.
Many fantasy stories I have read, involve at least one race of like Elves or some such that no longer do real battles because they know how to just work together, and talk to the other races… So instead, they do things like “The Flower Wars” in “The Obsidian Trilogy” from Mercedes Lackey & James Malloroy. They just have a proxy war. Real weapons and armor, but all just for show. They ride unicorn mounts, and dance, and jump, and put on a big show…because they are just showing how far they have come…

Maybe the Horde and Alliance can do that as well…hold Battlegrounds, in honour of our fallen brothers and sisters, lost mothers and fathers…Maybe they just hold comemerative battles, where you can just pick a side and have fun with it…BUT FOR HONOUR AND GLORY! ZHUG ZHUG (is that how you spell that?)

Well, you forgot the rest, so here…let me read it FOR you!

To which I said

It is in fact only applicable to mythic+ and such…
To which you said

Which is what we just said here

Since you can’t be bothered to read those, let me also explain it to you. You see, Shalemara said the same thing you said.
I agreed with them. And You. You are both correct. I am also correct, because I am saying the same thing.

And this bit:

Needs no response. Shalemara and I already know, and have established with everybody else on here, that we want the option, and for it to be a toggleable option.

Shale knows it. I know it. WE know it. YOU know it.
See? We all agree. NO need to try and correct something that was never incorrect…

You got the wrong idea. Of course I want it which is why I said Cross-Faction should come to queued content and guilds as well. Reason why I said it makes sense not to put it in BGs is because the more behind BGs is Alliance vs Horde.

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Dang, bro, you got triggered.

:rage:

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I’m super excited for it, I play feral and I want shadowmeld back, but I had to go horde or not play with my friends. Now I can play with my guild on the race I wanted all along. But I do agree that they need cross faction guilds. Like for our mythic raid team we can only fit in 4 alliance before the guild loses the guild flag and it is just a pug group.

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I dont want to switch because of the different faction despite being able to cross faction play. Idk if normal raids are applicable but I miss being a Night Elf. However, I’m probably in the best guild for me so idk what to choose!

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It took blizzard 15 years to work out cross faction opt in groups. Itll be another 15 years before they give in to full cross faction guilds and queable instances.

The difficulties of cross-faction are apparent even in the limited cross-faction stuff coming in 9.2.5, though. It’s for instance bubbles only. You’ll still be hostile in the open world, can’t quest together, can’t enter each others’ cities, can’t trade items, etc.

So a cross-faction “guild” would be one of 2 options:

  1. Have a “guild” where people can’t quest together, can’t trade, etc.
    or
  2. Remove factions from the game entirely, which hopefully they’ll never do.

I just don’t see cross-faction guilds happening.

The faction barrier is hard-coded into the game at every level. Since instances are separate pocket universe bubbles, they can be waived in there (and they’ve been doing that since WoD in random battlegrounds). But outside of bubbles… just not seeing it.

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Then make this possible for any groupable content automatically. I want LFG to be auto and I want cross faction to be an option in LFG so that the wait times for gatekeeper Vault grind lowers. It’s ridiculous how long a Q takes in this game when this is the only way to progress with gear and borrowed power.

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Cross-faction LFD won’t shorten queue times unless you think one faction or the other has a disproportionately high number of tanks and healers.

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Then maybe the Dev teams need to create a positive game environment that promotes alts. Currently it’s a chore to maintain a tank, healer, and DPS because of the availability issues.

The checkbox you refer too is also the other way round. We have it on by default that no alliance players can apply to our groups unless we uncheck it. This is for those who simply don’t want cross faction play

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