Creating Rank 3 mats is frustrating

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I maxed out the entire alloy tree, the framework tree, and 100/100 Blacksmithing; I’ve been creating Rank 2 alloys and frameworks well before completing those trees, but even though I am completely done that branch, I still can’t make rank 3 mats unless I have two Artisan Tool/Accessories…

I am ten literal skill points away from making rank 3 mats, but I can’t because I need the ‘Artisan Tools/Accessories’ to further bump up my skill to 525, which requires 300 Artisan’s Acuity each…

Why does it take such an overwhelming (and diminishing) effort to close the gap between rank 2 and 3 mats?

Armor and Weapons, I can understand since they have more tiers, but only getting rank three mats after filling out the trees AND getting at least TWO Artisan Tools is a bit much.

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the profession system is overly complicated for no reason other than for people to timesink into them more.

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I had blue tools by week 2, its not complicated it just requires you have the right stuff. Yes, the game expects you to not use vendor green gear to make the best stuff the same way you do less damage in greens than someone in purples. Making the best stuff requires maxing the tree and having appropriate gear.

There is nothing wrong with this. Use concentration if you do not want to make a tiny investment.

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It’s effectively the same, you need to have max investment into the tree plus tools to make max-rank items without spending any concentration, be it reagents or equipment. Getting 300 aquity for tools should be exceedingly quick at this point.

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The same amount of effort to produce 5 tier equipment should not have the same requirements for rank three reagents. That makes zero sense.

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Great post.

You are a valued member of the WoW community.

:+1:

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They are both the highest quality level. They both require you to have fully invested into them in order to make the highest quality. You can bridge that gap easily with optional reagents and concentration, but using the best tools to make the best items seems very logical.

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They are at different levels. Why on planet Earth would you need the match the same criteria to make the best weapons and armor to make quality materials to make them in the first place.

It makes zero sense that Rank 3 mats/reagents are equal to Rank 5 weapons and armor.

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1000 times this is the reason.

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It’s just the gap between Rank 2 and Rank 3 mats/reagents should not be this wide. I shouldn’t need Artisan Tools for with a maxed-out Tree and maxed out skill when you could make Rank Two with green tools and a quarter of the tree finished.

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They are at different levels, but they are on different scales. 100% “the best” is the same difficulty (like it or not).

Gear
Rank 1 = 0
Rank 5 = 100

Mats
Rank 1 = 0
Rank 3 = 100

Clearly the devs disagree with your design principle and they require blue profession equipment to make the best gear and/or mats.

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that or any of the multiple items to add +skill, or using concentration.

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That’s really dumb. That makes the mats used to make weapons/gear/useable items are of equal value.

And that’s really stupid. No other RPG game does this… it’s completely counter-intuitive.

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No? You use multiple materials, often raw material plus crafted ones, in order to make epic items.

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It’s not supposed to be enjoyable, it’s supposed to make you spend more time in the game.

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Probably to thin out the people making them, idk. I can put engineering parts up on ah and be 20,000th in queue in a few short hours.

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Materials that require the same investment to make the epic items. The same effort you need to make an epic item is the same amount you put into a Rank five Alloy.

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I have all three blue tools for inscription, and I have literally every wheel in the knowledge tree completed except for darkmoon cards. I can make Ascension 3-stars with concentration and nobody ever wants any of the others, so I didn’t do those. Point is: I have max inks, max pigments, max crafting points, and all three blue tools/accessories.

I still can’t make 3-star inks and pigments without 3-star herbs (I mean, I can, but only with concentration).

The idea is that I’m supposed to take all of my one-star and two-star herbs and convert them…and this is where the professions are too much, in my opinion.

I don’t think we should have ranks on raw mats. Let the herb be the herb, let the ore be the ore, let the leather be the leather, let the cloth and thread be the cloth and thread, you know?

I think the quality system applied to raw mats is where it’s just one layer too many.

Edited to add: On my alchemist, I can’t make 3-star cauldrons, despite having everything maxed in the trees and all of my blue tools/accessories, without half a bar of concentration.

To make that less, I’d have start with all 3-star herbs, make 8 x 3-star harmonious horticulture (which still requires using concentration even though it shouldn’t), purchase 20 3-star vials…and by the end of all that, it will cost more gold than just having everyone buy their own flasks. I will still have to use some concentration on that cauldron, just not as much, so it’s still a huge imposition. Use all my concentration on the cauldron or use all my concentration on the mats for the cauldron.

Either way, it’s not satisfying.

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It really isn’t complicated. People just don’t read.

Bingo.

No, essentially they are not. Because there is no such thing as a rank 4 and 5 material.

This is correct:

It’s not that difficult to understand.

Yes you absolutely should.

Well that’s just false. I’ve absolutely played other games that require the highest quality to create the highest quality.

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Correct, every item except the low-level blues are intentionally placed such that you can make them without need for concentration or optional reagents once you have finished the relevant tree, have finished your profession skill, and are using the best tools. Would you prefer to be able to spend more points after that point to be able to not have any change in your ability to make max rank items?

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