Do i need to link when they quoted this? They said this as they were describing why they were putting it on the modern client.
If you need a refresher just ask. You don’t need to make stuff up.
This is completely untrue. Outland was designed to level 61-70 without flying mounts, so the only “flying required” areas in Outland are parts of level 70 content.
They could easily edit the maps to make Skettis, Ogrila and Kazzak accessible by foot. They could put dedicated flight masters and/or portals to get to the TK dungeons.
There are places that would be more challenging, but there’s no way that’s “as much work as changing Azeroth to allow flying”.
Changing Azeroth to allow flying is a monumental task because huge swathes of the two continents are completely unfinished.
Here we go friend
“We think we have a way to run the Classic servers on the modern technical infrastructure. The infrastructure is how we spin up instances and continents, how the database works. It’s those core fundamental pieces, and running two MMOs of that size is a daunting problem. But now we think we have a way to have the old WoW version work on the modern infrastructure and feel really good.”
https://www.pcgamer.com/why-world-of-warcraft-classic-is-deceptively-tough-to-make/
Next time just ask. No need to make stuff up =D
OK I’m sure that every #NoChanges person would like to see #SomeChanges to fix personal pet peeves. But the difference, in general, is that they realize to allow their personal #changes means also allowing other people’s #changes and pretty soon it’s out of control.
So sure, while I would like to have #NoChangesExceptMine, I am perfectly willing to accept #NoChanges as the fairest and closest way to get what I want.
Changes to future ex-pacs almost entirely revolve around not repeating the mistakes that led the game away from its Vanilla ideals, which means that a “TBC without flying” is closer to #NoChanges (from a Vanilla perspective) than “TBC with flying”
But you shouldn’t look at TBC from a vanilla perspective because that’s basically the same thing as looking at vanilla from a BfA perspective. If you want to play vanilla, it should be because you want to play VANILLA. If you want to play TBC it should be because you want to play TBC.
Acting like it’s okay to ask for MAJOR changes like this to TBC yet shut down ones in vanilla is terribly hypocritical.
If they do announce a TBC classic, I will be treating people who ask for no flying the same way I treat people who ask for LFR in vanilla. It’s ridiculous.
Also, the argument “Well we can fix stuff we know messed the game up”. Same argument can be used for things like the honor system in vanilla. Or class balance. That’s not what made vanilla vanilla and that’s not what made TBC TBC.
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I understand your point, but this is literally the hypothetical that the OP posed and that this thread is about:
I know that this is a hypothetical. But your post wasn’t just playing with the hypothetical of ‘what if they did this’ you took it a step further and seemed like you were explaining why it would be a good thing to do, or at least a justified way to look at it. And in ‘reality’ there is no justifying doing something like this.
Yes you can look at it as a fun what if and explain how they would do it, but don’t try to justify the actual hypothetical as you will fall short.
I completely agree with you, I would soo down for that. Wowhead Classic (check it out if you haven’t, its way better than the forums) has a page about zone changes from vanilla to now, and it made me feel like cataclysm had real potential… they just botched too many elements. And wrath without all the qol crap would have been amazing. Wod and legion also had a ton of potential both in lore and content… they just weren’t listening.
If you pay attention to the language they consistently use towards the Classic community, its seething with contempt; they do not want to do it. Because doing it, even if they never say it out loud, is an acknowledgement that the people who hate the changes are valid. They SAY they “dont want to manage two mmos”… they also say a lot of bs and they only pay attention to two things: cancelled subs (but only when they have to) and public shaming! Remember when the petition was “hand delivered in person” and flaunted on twitter? I do, and I really think that but for that public event, they would have simply continued to tell us to get bent while adding more and more micro transactions for the rich quacks who will just keep paying and paying.
Anyway, I think that your idea is excellent and I would hesitate to say that it wont ever happen, make the case for classic to as many people as possible. If the amount of people playing classic outweighs retail… maybe they’ll listen? I dont know, they blow me away sometimes with their ability to ignore the community. But like people said that Classic would never happen, you think those words tasted good when they had to eat them?
People will say “but your sub pays for both, so they wont care” which is technically true, so people need to abandon retail all together. If it becomes barren, they will lose money on it and will begin to hate it. Anyway thanks for starting this topic, I hope this happens.
Exactly. “whats after classic?!” smh. I’ll give you a hint, you can play it right now.
The OP said “re-do every expansion knowing what they know now.”
Blizz has acknowledged more than once that introducing flying mounts hurt the game. So describing a TBC without flying is most certainly within the realm of discussion in this hypothetical.
IMO the only way we’ll see a Classic+ is to prove that we’re a sufficient force to be reckoned with, and all these “Classic+ is predestined” posts are undermining that.
Also, there’ll be 3 types of subscriber.
- Retail only
- Mixed
- Classic only.
We don’t have to get everyone to quit retail, just have more people playing Classic or Mixed than Retail alone.
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Considering how much the flight restrictions anger players, taking it out completely for even just BC would be a horrible business move. Please try to remember that some entire content parts revolved around rep grinding to get flying mounts like the rays and dragons. Second, they have no intention of doing a major rework of old content on the retail side. They just arent as flush with disposable dollars anymore.
Ya that’s the biggest problem. Even if blizz could make changes that would result in a better game. The retail community would hate it.
This is the opposite of a predestined post. Are you saying my response is a predestined post? Because I’m just advocating an open mind. How does this undermine “Classic+”? Also, I think the “mixed” category would allow bliz to justify not listening to us.
I understand that it’s in the topic to discuss how to do it. I said this.
I said that doesn’t justify actually doing it. Which is what the post I was referring to was doing.
If you can’t understand the difference there’s nothing more to say
Wait are people really gonna play both? I can’t imagine having time for that unless your a streamer…
I guess maybe casually, but still…
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This is one of about 8 posts in the last two days about what to do after an unreleased product has “run out of steam”. We haven’t even proved there’s a continuing market for Classic yet, but people are planning what to do “once Classic is over”.
Planning for a scenario we haven’t even proved could happen, which Blizzard adamantly believes won’t happen, will make them more stubborn about not happening.
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Blizz wouldn’t have done this if they didn’t believe there’s a continuing market for classic. Private servers have proved this. But i think they’re moving cautiously because the bigger question is how many non-private server players will join us and stick around long-term. But they wouldn’t of invested in bringing us classic if they didn’t think they could milk it for all it’s worth long-term.
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In some respects I’m imagining they’re talking about TBC in the context of “an expanded version of Classic.” (In other words: Outlands level capped at 60)
TBC in the Context of TBC should be “no changes” as it relates to TBC.
Excellent point, we should stop talking about it and just prep for Classic. Classic will never be over.
Couldn’t agree more, its insane to think about playing Classic seriously and playing any other game.