Technically, we don’t know what her chromosomes are.
All in favor of trans!Sylvanas, say aye.
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Syltransas?
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I love how frequently Rey is brought up as some example of female characters being too powerful. Meanwhile she has FAR more reason to be as strong and good at fighting as she is than Luke ever did.
But she has boobs so it doesnt count
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Blizzard, instantly disappointing me: "i might be called sylvanas now…but i was born…as SYLVANO"
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I’m dying.
You just made her 10x more interesting.
Now I didn’t want to get into this, because while I massively enjoy Star Wars, this is Warcraft, but if you would like me to school you, I will oblige.
I haven’t seen Captain Marvel, but Rey absolutely does fit that description. She’s a Force sensitive who’s able to utilize advanced Force techniques without any training. I was giving her a chance with TFA, like perhaps she was trained in the past but forgot or was forced to forget, something like that, but no, Rian expertly subverted expectations for a coherent plot by showing us that really, she comes from nothing. She has no training. She’s just magically strong.
Do you know what Luke had? Training. Do you know how Luke was able to pilot a ship? Practice on Tatooine. Anakin is a bit far-fetched, I will admit, considering he was a child who someone managed to not die while attacking a massive Trade Federation vessel, but following that? He had training.
Meanwhile she has FAR more reason to be as strong and good at fighting as she is than Luke ever did.
Her fighting with a staff I was okay with. It’s her ability to wield the Force so flippantly that’s the issue. But you’r’e just going to spin that as another “YOU HATE STRONG WOMEN” thing, aren’t you?
I’m not going to continue this conversation anymore. I’ve routinely, almost in every post, said it wasn’t about her gender, but somehow you just won’t let that go for some reason.
People being more Force Sensitive than others is a documented thing in Star Wars. That you don’t like that Rey is more Force Sensitive than some of the males in the universe doesn’t make her inexplicably strong. That you don’t like the explanation doesn’t make it inexplicable.
Nice try though.
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Because arguments don’t happen in a vacuum where you can expect, nor should you expect, people to separate them out piecemeal and address them on your behalf (that’s further un-critical thinking, by the way). Rather, arguments inform other arguments and opinions inform other opinions.
Sylvanas being inexplicably and tiresomely overpowered is a common argument. Retconning to make her that way is another common argument. If that had been the whole of your argument, we could draw the conclusion that you were primarily against those.
But your argument led with handwringing over FEMALES and the TRENDS and all these other talking points. Hence, it gives us pause and makes us wonder: “Well, wait, if his issue is with retcons, why’s he talking about women characters so much?” And, thus, casts doubt on the conclusions you’re attempting to draw.
And you did all of that. No one asked you to. No one’s reaching. These were all your choices.
You made the decision to link those arguments. You made the decision to introduce them. And so you introduced doubt onto your own argument by choosing to conflate Sylvanas’ stupid cinematic with FEMALES.
To demand we not only not point this out, but not consider it along with the rest of your argument, would be the pinnacle of thinking uncritically.
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Is rey even that force sensitive
Like she moved some rocks big deal
Luke even said moving rocks is the stupidest way to use the force
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I thought Luke trained her. Wasn’t that the whole thing in TLJ?
I’ll admit, I’ve never payed super close attention to a Star Wars movie.
Luke trains her in the second movie
But she like…idk…force persuades a storm trooper in the first one and like…lifts some rocks or whatever
And since that’s more than what luke could do in a new hope it means shes an op mary sue
She’s shown as fairly Force Sensitive in TFA, she’s able to use Force Persuasion and is very good naturally with a Lightsaber.
She then spends almost the entirety of TLJ being trained by Luke.
“Shes pretty good with a lightsaber”
Its a glowy sword you swing around
Just ask any 10 year old how easy it is to swing around a wooden stick
Its p easy
People b*&^%ed endlessly that she was able to defeat Kylo in TFA. Those same people seem to have forgotten Kylo was hit in the abdomen with a Bowcaster.
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You know, the weapon that fired explosives that sent a Stormtrooper flying 10 feet in the air.
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She also was horribly losing until she closed her eyes, the music swelled, and she accepted the force
The magical life energy that does anything
Its almost like they didnt watch the movie
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They also seem to miss the part where Kylo was trying to turn her, not Kill her.
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Do we have any proof Kylo Ren has any idea how to swing a glowstick either?
That’s mostly flippant but I also don’t remember much about the movies.
Plua the funny thing about being experienced in any physical combat is that realistically it’s more about the knowledge of your strengths or weaknesses than any individual technique to swinging your weapon of choice. Giving a warhammer to soneone who’s trained fourty years of their life with a knife isn’t gonna mean jack. Also if at any point you slip or trip or overextend you still just die because that’s how real combat works.
Not that any actual logic applies to a made up super weapon.
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I think the reason your other points are being ignored is because we agree with them. Yes, its bad writing, its inexplicable and its disappointing given all the buildup Bolvar had gotten. I don’t know if I can speak for everyone else, but I am right there with you with all of that. Thumbs up.
However, you seem to be implying (and please correct me if im wrong here), that the reason that these things are happening is because of a “trend of inexplicably strong women”.
I mean, obviously when there are more female main characters in general then some of them are gonna be badly written power fantasies, just as many men are badly written power fantasies (my Anduin, Luke, and especially Anakin examples above should demonstrate this, I hope!)
I think the blame falls on bad writing in general, regardless of the character’s gender.
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Between kylo being horribly injured
A very obvious eureka/power-unlocking moment as she accepts the force
And kylo just toying with her
The odds are so narratively stacked in her favor it’s almost insulting that they went to such lengths to make the stalemate “believable” in the first place