How am I supposed to level my professions past level 50 when the system has been designed to do so via filling crafting orders? While there is a 20 per day limit, other players have decided to ignore that limit by back-door’ing it and advertising in trade chat so that crafting orders aren’t being placed at all because they are being snagged through trade chat. Great idea, but as always there are those who ruin it for the rest of us.
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It’s not really people in trade chats fault. Even before everyone figured it out, there were no orders on the board. So they went to trade chat to try and get more. The problem is blizzard putting a massive mismatch between supply and demand into the game.
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I just watched some videos on how to use the system and their videos had listings in them. what happened to those? i stand beside it being the trade chat advertisers back-door’ing the 20 per day limit and all orders going private instead of public. Either way, whoever’s right or wrong, what is Blizz doing about it? I’m stuck at level 51.
Well blizzard does know something has gone wrong which is why the dropped the requirement for the fulfill orders quest in a hotfix 16 days after launch. The problem is that doing more requires more dev time. I personally predict that as part of the 10.0.5 patch that brings the new trading post they will re-balance where various items stop giving skill. The problem right now is that most of the skill points come from spark crafting and they can’t easily hotfix that. 10.0.5 is hitting the PTR very soon.
Maybe Blizz should make a 4th category as Semi-Public and any private orders go into this category first and anyone who can get a skill-up can take the order as opposed to people who advertise in trade chat who have no more skill-ups and are just doing it for the gold making and interfere with persons who want to play the game and level up their professions as this new system has intended. if no one who needs a skillup point takes the order, then it goes back to private with the person. idk. it’s a broken system right now when you can’t level up and are stuck.
No one wants their order to go to someone who would make it crappier than trade spammers. You’re really fixated on them, when the whole system is pushing everyone to do exactly what they’re doing.
Edit: To explain why trade spammers were inevitable, imagine you are in a market with 100 people trying to sell a cart full of the same things each. There are 100 people trying to buy a single thing every two weeks. What are the salespeople going to do to try and sell as much of their giant carts as they can? Get as pushy as possible. That is the situation we are in.
So as usual the gold makers get to interfere with the game? I can’t play my game, which I pay just as equally as everyone else to play, because a gold maker is blocking me from doing so? It can be put in the work order what quality is required so it’s not downgrading to use someone who needs a skillup. Those ones might not be able to be filled by someone who needs a skillup and it’ll go back private, but there are always players levelling alts who don’t want to spend a lot of gold on mats or tips for the high end stuff and just want something that’s enough to make levelling easier for them and players who need a skillup should have first dibs on those orders over someone trying to make gold. It’s not like it’s a forever problem. Eventually everyone who is going to level their profession will have levelled it and everyone who takes a crafting order will all be doing it to make gold. It’d be interesting for Blizz to look at stats in regards to how many orders are going through the crafting orders system as private and how many as public and if they can see that data, then they can see whether it’s gold makers interfering with the game or it’s their own system that’s broken because, really, it makes no sense to argue this when Blizz is the only one who can see what the problem is. I hope they look at what i’m suggesting it is and if they find this to be the case, they do something to fix it. Anyway, have a good night. I came here hoping that there was a solution to get past being stuck levelling a profession and i guess the best answer I got was to just wait for the next patch and hope that Blizz fixes the issue. It’s a terrible solution, and i don’t fault the poster for sharing it, but it’s terrible because i guess that’s all Blizz is going to do and at that speed.
There is a lot more to this whole crafting order situation that goes beyond your post. Believe me, I’ve complained about crafting orders and trade chat. I too am unable to progress further AND until I hit a certain level of renown, then can purchase recipes that require level 50 crafting to learn.
What I’ve found out alot of players don’t understand how this all works, players are hanging onto their sparks and tier slots available that would replace the crafted piece(s).
It’s a huge mess.
The whole crafting order system is pure garbage. It would be one thing if it was used ONLY for people to order things they want. But by requiring crafters to scour the system constantly (or spam trade chat) in order to get skill ups, it turns the whole thing into crap. Many crafters are also gatherers, as well as players and most likely full time workers as well. Not near enough time to sit in town and spam chat in hopes to try and get someone to request something that will give a skill up.
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I totally agree, this is the most casual unfriendly iteration of crafting they have ever put out. They felt that the Shadowlands legendary crafts were to easily monopolized by a handful of crafters yet the new system has exactly the same problem only even more so than before. The time investment of the new system is totally out of line with the value of the crafts that come out of it.
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The public order crafting system is a complete disaster and an incredible disappointment (to me anyway). On my realm there’s barely any orders being placed, with many professions having zero listings any time I check. Those that do have orders typically have a small number and those are mostly for BOP epics from the raid that few if any can actually craft. The only way to complete the weekly crafting quest is to send personal orders to yourself from an alt which is utterly pathetic 2 weeks post launch.
Not having crafting orders be region-wide just means that only the highest of the high population servers might have anything available, while the low - high population realms barely have anything available. Unfortunately the system will be a failure if it only benefits the handful of mega servers like Illidan or Area52, and so far it looks like a total dud.
Nobody is using the system. BOE items just end up in the AH and sell at a loss making it pointless to try and sell anything. Nobody is requesting BOE items through crafting orders because they probably can’t be bothered and it’s cheaper to buy the item on the AH than to buy the materials to have it crafted.
I was really excited for the new crafting system and the crafting orders, but within a few days all that vanished and was replaced with complete disappointment. At the moment I couldn’t care less about my professions or the unnecessarily punitive knowledge point system, and all I’m doing it setting things up so I can craft stuff on my alts that I might need.
No idea how Blizz can fix this mess, but I can’t understand how this made it out of beta and into production when you consider how DOA it is at the moment.
Just so so disappointed in the whole thing.
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That is an easy one to answer, a massive lack of testing! The core lynchpin holding the whole house of cards together didn’t get added to beta until after the prepatch went live. This resulted in only 1 bout of iteration where they removed ranks and reforging from the public order system and made the public orders be all mats from buyer.
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The design of the crafting system is pretty bad. There is a lack of mid-tier items or components to make or sell. It’s either sell the best items at a high quality or you don’t have much to offer for the most part.
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There are tons of work orders being placed, they are just being fulfilled nearly instantly unless it’s a pattern that no one has yet. I’ve ordered all sorts of stuff and never has wait more than about 2 minutes for it to show up, even putting down minuscule commission fees
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Just from reading all the replies, i think Blizz just needs to unlink levelling professions and crafting orders, period. Crafting orders is a gold-making thing and not a levelling thing and the whole mess could be fixed if Blizz just unlinked levelling completely from crafting orders and came up with something else that took a bit of time, but that did end up with skillup points ultimately being awarded as opposed to being left stuck to progress as it is now.
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The crafting orders is really messed up.
2 days ago, i had used up all 20 of the orders and it said i needed to wait for 12h, to get more, ok fine.
well, after the time period was up, it said i had 0 orders with 0 hours to wait…so i waited for another hour, it still said 0h to wait, so i figured, maybe i need to wait for the daily reset…
i got 5 orders, and it said i would get more orders in another 4 hours…so i though ill just use up the 5 that i had…
well in 4 hours, it said i had zero available and i had to wait another 12 hours…wtf…
again, i wait for the next day and it keeps saying 0h, then maybe 1h and back to 0h…
the best one was when i had (-2h) to wait…
so again, i only got 5 orders available in the last day and unless they are going to fix it, it looks like i will have 5 again today.
You win the game because you got to use your orders! I haven’t seen a single public order for either tailoring or enchanting.
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I’d suggest that this is largely dependent on which realm cluster you are on, and it’s not the situation across the board. If there was that much traffic you would at least see some of these orders, even if you didn’t get an opportunity to craft them before someone else did. That’s definitely not the case on my high-pop realm at least, it’s just dead and nobody is using it for anything other than placing orders for items nobody can craft yet. Most professions have zero orders in the queue.
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Name an MMo then you will know i been doing crafting in it. We all are gonna be able to level our skills when everything becomes unnecessary in the next expansion. We will be able t complete a pickup public raid when we get 20 levels over it. I am still a Wow noobie but i been able to raise some cash during shadowlands. Now i am spending the cash and get stuck between 50 and 65 in many skills. It is very deceiving in the way that i dont plan to sell the stuff, i mainly do it to craft for my toons but this wont happen. How am i supposed to guess how to get new alchemy recipes for example? Buy millions of gold from gold sellers then buy the mats and craft anything until some new recipes comes out of it? seriously. I passed the last week crafting to face that wall…if i knew. No recipes from getting alchemy to the floor of 80-85-90-100…you must be kidding me Blizz…and i am only talking bout alchemy. I guess that in a year or 2 someone is gonna make a video or list of what to craft to make new recipes to pop out. This is the only sad thing i find in this game but its huge, sorry to say.
I agree…Crafting Orders shouldn’t be the primary method of leveling up a skill past 50.
I have characters with every skill but Inscription in Dragonflight. My alchemist (main) hit 100, but only after blowing herself up more times than I could count. The mats required to level up all the other trade skills, though, are beyond time consuming.
I maxed my Blacksmith up from 78 to 100 by buying everything I need off the AH (augmented by what I could gather in a reasonable amount of time) - took me about 90K to do so, which is pretty unreasonable (but I was annoyed and wanted to make my alt a weapon)
My other skills on alts have dragged to a slow pace because, imo, the first (and largest) wave of characters racing to 70 and gearing up have already gotten their armor and weapons via Craft Orders (or raiding) and so they don’t need them anymore.
I log in on each of my toons every day (sometimes multiple times) to check the Crafting Orders and it’s almost always the same thing: 2-4 people each listing the same item, 1-10 gold tip and no mats, or Forbidden Reach farmers offering a few gold to make bookmarks or fixed kites or other items needed to spawn rares. Yes, they provide mats, but you don’t get skill-ups for those items.
Please offer some alternative for leveling up skills in Dragonflight other than the now dead/dying Crafting system. It doesn’t have to be easy, but it shouldn’t be so expensive or ridiculously time consuming (multiple Awakened elements takes a lot of banging on rocks to skill-up on) I’m willing to put the time in, but I’m bloody retired and I’m bored banging on rocks for hours and hours in hope of being able to get 1 skill level. I’d much rather spend that time actually…y’know…playing the game 