You can already do this…
Another problem is that with the exception of alchemy, no profession has a highly desirable, heavily consumed consumable. Once someone has their 400ilvl crafted piece, they arent going to be looking to get 20 more crafted every week (ala potions/flasks). They’re done with their demand for the next 4 to 5 months until next patch.
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Weight/Whetstones
Runes
Vials
Drums
Which is why there are practically no orders anymore, everyone’s demand has been met for the tier.
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Are you out of your mind? New Sparks come out TODAY. There’s going to be an avalanche of new crafting today. And then again when the next Spark comes out, after that.
They did. Maybe you weren’t paying attention.
Oh I saw a bunch of people thinking “this means I can sit in town and craft top-end stuff for myself to wear”, even though Blizzard never said anything of the sort.
You can do it with the materials? I was unaware.
I know you can for the gear, but how do you do it for the cloth or thread for instance?
You can do it with skins, herbs, ore, because they have quality.
Cloth doesn’t have a quality level for some reason.
I meant bolts and threads.
Can you improve inks as well? If so, man I really need to read up more. 
I haven’t really delved into the other professions that much yet. I’ll check this evening to see how to improve herbs and ore.
I’m a fan of the crafting situation, but I think it’s overly complicated because they want to keep the auction house relevant. Limiting the types of recipes for orders for consumables like flasks and potions, why? Making phials and potions BoP alone is just bad form.
I get what they’re trying to do. Keeping the crafting orders for professions and the AH for everything else. Which is fine. The AH is where we offload all our crafting regeants and world gear drops, along with random greys. Keep it that way. But open up all recipes craftable onto the tables, not just a select few. It’s not going to kill the auction house, as people will still have to buy the necessary materials. They’re so close to having it sorted out, but the hiccups are many.
Secondly. Quit having to run to NPCs to make a crafting order. This is the same ANCIENT complaint with AH that’s been going on for years; it’s why the brontosaur mount is so desirable/useful. We’re sick and tired of having to stop our progress to run into a city to find a pixel person to do a thing. Just make us a pet companion like the Guild Herald/Guild Squire that we can summon anywhere and sell/trade/order stuff. 1 hour CD. We like your cities Blizz, we promise. But when you force us to burn 5 minutes getting to them to do 30 seconds worth the buying of consumables we’ve run out of, it’s annoying. It’s faster for us to log an alt parked in the city, buy a thing, mail it to ourselves than to travel some days. Granted, dragon flying basically gets you into Valdrakken now way faster than old world, but if they insist on continuing this crafting trend, making the slog into a major city is going to be a sore spot again for sure.
For the initial roll out, I don’t mind it. Artisans mettle is probably my biggest gripe. I don’t like needing yet another currency to grind to make a thing. They tried to play it off as a regeant, but it’s just currency in the bag you gotta have for advancement. I like the profession trees, while they are tricky to figure out at first, it makes it so that every single person’s recipes can be unique and valuable in some way. Rather than having 10k people who make the same trinket and constantly under cut you on the AH, if you make diverse embellishments and qualities on that same trinket through the progression of your tree - everyone gets the chance to be a little more competitive in the market.
I like the idea that you might have a base food, let’s say coffee. But some people have mastered latte, some espresso, some drip, some have addins like cinnamon - that put off different abilities or stats. That to me, reflects more realistic crafting experience. Same goes for embroidery on tailoring, stitching on leatherworking, etc. The amount of study and guidebooks could be amazing and I actually think it’d lend to guilds seriously investing in discussions an apprenticeships to try crafting amazing combinations for their players.
So far, my vote is it’s okay. It has immense potential. It’ll likely get screwed over because everyone wants the easiest answer and fast cookie cutter crafts but also the most gold. But given how in the past the cookie cutter crafts made everyone feel crafting was pointless… These new complaints put us on a merry go round.
In addition to improving public orders (quality limits and public re-crafting orders), we need better ways to level our professions.
Even on one of the larger servers and using an addon to cosntantly scan for new orders as you semi-afk at a table, you can be there for HOURS and never even see a single order pop up that’s capable of giving you skill points.
You either got in early or you’re screwed. And yes, getting to 100 is very important to help hit the skill level needed to make crafting certain things actually worthwhile. People that actually wanted to use their crafting professions are largely stuck at this point and Blizzard isn’t doing anything about it in 10.0.5 so far.
Adding quality will not “fix” public orders.
There are a few things players are running into ruining public orders.
- Eveything is contingent on a time-gated soulbound crafting regent (limiting orders being placed)
- Most players incorrectly believe they need to “max” their profession, thus sitting there effectively sniping public orders
- Most recipes are either available to everyone or too common, or far too rare, leading to little diversity in crafts (all competing for same items).
- Public Order cap of 20 is too high. You only really need to craft 10 public items (at +3) to get you to profession skill cap.
- Dead servers. Region AH should have included region-wide crafted stuff too or not have been used to excuse doing needed server merges.
There isn’t anything inherently wrong with the public order system. It is just all of the things around it that have led to this mess.
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You actually do need the extra skill points to hit higher guaranteed ranks of certain things that actually make your odds of flipping mats into something that’s actually a profit more likely.
IE: at 70ish inscription I needed 40 more skill points to hit guaranteed rank 3 chilled runes. I could get 30 of those by maxing the profession that I have limited ways to reasonably level at that point. Knowledge is time-gated, I should be able to get those 30 skill points faster than I can get the time-gated knowledge.
Public orders for anything with quality is like shooting yourself in the foot right now.
IE: I make someone a rank 3 staff with their expensive mats because I want 3 skill points, but they could have gotten a rank 5 from someone else.
All for no real rational reason besides Blizzard wanting to force “socialization” into the game via trade chat spam.
OP, I agree with you. They ruined what was left of crafting all in an effort to increase token sales.
Best thing to do is to just give it up. That’s what I did. Not worth my time or effort (and btw, I love crafting in FFXIV and spend a lot of time doing it, so it isn’t that I dislike putting effort in).
What I find odd about it is the effect its having on the economy and professions overall.
Unless you’re crafting R4/5’s of the most in-demand crafts you are unlikely to turn much of a profit.
As an enchanter i’ve been considering dropping enchanting entirely, literally every enchant but the creme de la creme enchants either sell for a loss or just slightly higher than vendor price.
My enchanting is 6X and im still buying my enchants off the AH because its cheaper than doing it myself which is wild to me. It also doesn’t help my other prof is Engineering and Engi in DF is the worst implementation of Engineering ever introduced. Genuinely useless in nearly every way, even the wormhole is trash. It’s impressively bad.
There are some very very specific builds where this matters. I can assure you that the majority of the players on this forum complaining about it are not in that boat.
Sure this is one of those examples. I believe JC non-epic gems are in a similar boat.
The majority of builds though, you are either well over or well under (and need inspiration).
Sort of. Knowledge had a big dump of KP early on in the form of the treasures and profession masters. If you know what you are doing, that is basically enough to spec right into your chilled rune build immediately.
Yeah sort of. Except you can get away with public orders for pennies on the craft vs. doing it from an “expert”.
Still though, my point stands. Even if you added a minimum… it would have to be at highest R4, since R5 requires a proc. Then you would just have the sniping for skill occurring by all of the players who can guarantee R4 instead of any player with the recipe which I doubt would change much.
How do I know? Because even public orders with a finishing reagent, optional reagents (the nines), basically requiring deep specialization, still don’t last long.
It was most definitely financially incentivized. Drives Token sales up.
I had a wow friend I have been gaming with for well over 10 years craft me two weapons … on that level it works. On every other level it doesn’t, without a network of crafters (and no means to find crafters other than pay to win commissions - elemental lariat = $19 (in wow token gold equivalent).
Public orders really really need a guarantee of quality.
While I am far from getting my RoI on the equipment spent, I am having fun.
Also most people who say to list R4 and will R5 it know their odds. Hence the reason they want 10-20K. They know what they are doing. If you don’t know what you’re doing, leave it to the professions like myself to make it work.
Its funny, that people never had a problem paying 10s of thousands in gold before from the AH, but now when it comes to finding someone to select the right talents, run some math maybe, and press a button, they’re shy with that money.