Capitalism. You don’t need an economics degree to know that this is how things pan out, even with digital supply and demand. The rich (those who have max crafting skill and high knowledge) get richer whilst the poor (those late to the crafting game trying to level to max) stay poor.
There is an assumed role for crafting orders in the profession leveling process; the problem is that those with guaranteed rank 5s are sucking up all the business. And why shouldn’t they? Why would I want to spend my gold and materials having anything less than the best result? We aren’t playing to be altruistic after all. I check my profession table for crafting orders every time I’m in Valdrakken and it’s always empty. I’m stuck at 65/100 with LOTS of materials and nothing to craft that will net me skill ups. I’ve done all the first crafts I have access to. I had to send myself crafting orders from my alts just to complete the 3/3 crafting order quest.
I’d like to just level my profession like I used to; I farm the mats: I level up the ranks: I get my reward. I’m not trying to make gold off my professions, I’m just trying to not lose gold on the Auction House buying 1 enchant for 30k. Some players who were early into the crafting system and the first ones to reach max skill and have the knowledge for rank 5s are raking in millions of gold with an exclusive clientele base. They LOVE this system because they are the rich.
I’m no advocate of socialism; but I’d like to propose giving those people their chance to live out their vicarious dreams of profession entrepreneurship without forcing me to be beholden to them. Disassociating leveling a profession from crafting orders entirely would level the playing field significantly. See here how the website wow-professions.com describes the situation:
It’s clear to me that Blizzard wanted players to use the Crafting Order system to level up their profession from around 50. But the reality is that so few people use the system that it’s almost impossible to level your profession right now. Crafting Orders are not cross-realm, so if you play on a low-population realm, the situation is even worse.
I think more people will post crafting orders once the raids and Mythic plus dungeons open up because many people are just saving their materials. So, be patient, and let’s hope more people will use this system.
In conclusion; I hope that Blizzard will address this situation. I’m not trying to be a spoilsport for those who are the “nouveau riche” of this system but it’s clear that this system was designed with some significant lack of perspective to what happens when crafting orders aren’t available to those trying to level their profession. I’m not a frequent poster or complainer. I haven’t written a forum post in years. This is a very frustrating position to be in. I don’t even like professions in WoW and yet over the 17 years I’ve played I’ve always done them because the benefits of being self sufficient is very much worth the usual insignificant cost and time needed to level them.
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Agreed, crafting orders suck. Making a lot of stuff BoP is annoying too because it forces you to use the crafting system but like you said NO ONE uses it.
Get rid of crafting orders and BoP restrictions and stop making use submit crafting orders from our alts in order to get that stupid weekly quest done.
Also, forcing us to craft garbage quality goods for first crafts just floods the Auction House with stuff that no one wants. How is it a good idea for me to spend 2k to craft something that only sells for 500g for example, or worse, it’s BoP and I just have to vendor it because, again, NO ONE USES CRAFTING ORDERS.
Crafting orders a good idea for guilds but for public use it’s absolute garbage.
Bring back professions as they were, or use a hybrid of this system like you learn everything from the trainer, but get better at making the things you want via specializations. I hate that I’m locked from making everything behind these point walls.
I like that crafting can actually make stuff we’ll use, but I hate how it’s been done.
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I think one of the big problems is that despite having the option to craft 380+ gear, the mats are given by the customer and then the crafter will be blamed if those mats don’t craft the quality item they wanted.
If they go cheap on any part of it, the item will not be top quality, and then they’ll believe the crafter somehow cheated them/wasn’t good enough/didn’t have the right specialization, etc.
For other things like Draconic Treatises (which are cheaper and less important), the reward is not worth the hassle of getting the mats. Once per week, the treatise gives one knowledge point. Because they have to buy the ink and parchment themselves instead of the OBVIOUS thing being that the SCRIBE should provide the ink and parchment…they are out a fabulous amount of gold to buy up all the mats (that the scribe makes, by the way) and after all of that more gold for a commission.
One knowledge point per week is NOT enough to make people want these. Make them 3 knowledge points, and people might still be ordering them. Make the ink part of the scribe’s contribution and only make the customer provide the other stuff and people might still be ordering them.
They simply are not worth the hassle, and people stopped trying to buy them.
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I am a Johnny Come Lately to this topic, but I want to express my disappointment with this system as well. I absolutely love everything else about Dragonflight, but when I finally started my Tailoring profession and realized that EVERYTHING I make is BOP, I became very bummed- then angry. I am a DH and I cannot wear anything I make, and I can’t give it to my mage. I guess I can put an order in from my mage to my DH as a workaround?
The OP is right, the Public order system is not used, at least on my server (Illidan), and everyone constantly spams Trade chat begging for people to put orders in for Lariats. I am stuck at Tailoring 65 and will probably abandon this profession.
The only reason I can think of for such a restrictive crafting process is that Blizz didn’t want the millionaires to go out and level their professions up in 2 hours and then flood the market with their wares? My solution for Blizz would be to make all crafted items BoE. This form of a market economy is a drag.
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OP I have just one question: How did the people with the max level crafting get their crafting to max level? Do you think that they sat on their hands and were belt-fed resources and did nothing? Because as someone who currently is one of the only of like 3 people crafting Illimited Diamonds at tier 3 on my “Full” status server, I am not rich and I did not buy all my materials to level them up. I went out and I farmed mining nodes for multiple days in a row doing little to nothing else for the materials to work up my tradeskill. I networked with other crafters I met WHILE crafting, I advertised looking for work to get my skill up.
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Boring feature. Can’t order old world recipes for transmog
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I don’t think I’m flaming any of the top crafters in the OP. I’m being quite fair to them and saying that the system design is the issue. I’m sure you did your part in getting to the front of queue, and now that you are there you have the privilege of having the lion’s share of the business. That’s why I opened the post with talking about Capitalism; I don’t blame Bezos for being a billionaire because he was the first to cash in on the online retailer market. Still the issue remains: those of us who are now trying to level our professions are having to beg for the scraps you go-getters leave behind; and no fault to you. You ‘struck while the iron was hot’. Crafting Orders should be a way people make money but they should be completely disassociated from Profession leveling.
There are some people legit rolling in gold right now due to being the only crafter on a realm able to guarantee R5 infusion recrafts. Because all 99% of the recrafting business is happening on Trade Chat and Personal Orders; there is no competition for commissions and so the person on top gets to charge whatever they want. If personal orders didn’t exist and everything was public it would change the dynamic massively.
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I will agre with you on that. We should be able to post an order for anything craftable imo.
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In all honesty, professions are complicated. I had to look up a guide to understand half the things I’m doing. I’m trying to get through all the jargon used. It doesn’t help that they added like a talent point system into professions. They managed to also add an additional grind into professions. It’s messy tbh.
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I agree on the point of making really heavily coveted recipes be a rare drop was super bad idea. If effectively let whoever got the recipe first win the WoW lottery. One of the guys on my server who got it really early told me he’s paid his sub for multiple months and is looking to buy Diablo 4 with bnet balance next off all the millions of gold he made from the Lariat pattern.
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Apparently you aren’t aware of the exploit that was being used right off the bat on release. The thing that grinds us legitimate players is that the knuckleheads at Blizzard were notified of this problem during beta, and let it remain in retail release. So of course the exploiters were like, “oh, OK, I guess Blizzard is OK with it” and blasted themselves right to max in the first week. And now they rule the market. That’s what I assume the OP is talking about.
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Not just that, they are ok with it…not just blizz…but those that exploited. It’s simply not possible to get to renown 20 in a week without exploiting. Yet here we are.
Easy solution for the profession leveling would have been to have more high end components with daily cooldowns that gave orange/yellow skill up to 100. That way crafters who aren’t selling the high end gear with the work order system could still make progress and also made some gold by selling the components that would be used in gear recipes.
so i placed a public work order to make a 5 star experts explorers greeves with a titan 4 and a missive. a short while later i see in chat someone made it but at 4 stars. i get the item see who made it and message the player but they doesnt exsist. whut?
being able to state the quality of the item should be on public orders. now i gotta wait till next week for another one to drop if it even does
You can use the recrafting system to get it upgraded to 5 star right now, without an extra titan relic
No, you literally can get it recrafted to rank 5 right this second, recrafting only requires the BOE materials, not the BOP ones. There is nothing stopping you from buying the materials on the AH and getting the item recrafted at rank 5
Most people who maxed crafting skill probably used sparks from alts
No, it wouldn’t. The titan matrix stays with the item. It is not consumed on the craft. I guarantee you that if you go into the recrafting interface on the crafting order place, it will still be there.
The item keeps the titan matrix. Make sure you have selected the recrafting section of the crafting order place.
i cant seem to deselect the titan matrix and i can only do personal and guild orders