So with covenants and conduits limiting choices and being restrictive, does this mean we’ll be getting denied from more groups because we picked “wrong”?
And we don’t even get the choice to switch things to help suit the needs/ plan of the group?
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Opinion.
Are rogues required for every M+ group?
Incorrect.
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That’s not opinion. Compared to a system where you can swap things freely, our ability to make choices is limited and suppressed.
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You can swap, it will just take some work to swap back.
I’m betting that it’ll become more frequent the more difficult the content gets.
That’s still not swapping freely. You can make three swaps before you are stuck between not changing or jumping through some painful hoops.
Though, they have said they’ll consider loosening the restrictions if there’s enough problems with it. I wouldn’t expect to see that before 9.1 at the earliest though.
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This is going to come down to their balance and encounter design team.
Blizzard’s usual approach of “We’ll fix it later” will end up being disastrous in a system where you can’t easily switch everything about your character around.
They need to be more on top of balance, and they need to design content so that different parts of it plays to strengths of each of the covenants so we don’t end up with “Sorry Venthyr only so we can teleport past mobs”.
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If they don’t manage to balance them by destroying them to be as strong as racials at best, yes you might get denied from groups as many specs/classes get more denied from group.
You can still make your own group or join a guild if this happen. It won’t be a problem unless you only pug or if care about your performance to some extent.
Yes so far they seem stuck on not letting you switch how you want. Big bet from them, hope it pays. But will probably be without me.
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Imagine thinking pugs will know every 144 Spec/Covenant combinations and which specific soul-binds as well as the various unique spec or covenant specific conduits you should or shouldn’t slot.
The simple reality is that people will check your raider IO, and will trust the raider IO score unless you’re doing something obviously bizarre.
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Yes unless everyone is basicly venthyr or ardenweald and there the only covenants considered viable.
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We literally have a teleport essence in World of Warcraft right now and it is not meta. This meme about Venthyr teleport being the end-all be-all needs to end. Parroting Preach is kind of embarrassing, I’m going to be quite honest bro. Stop doing it and think for yourself.
Certain Covenants will be better than others, this is known, but it certainly isn’t going to be decided by something like a blink when stuff like Phial of Pain has been data-mined (Kyrian Potion gives you +40% damage and healing for 10 seconds on a 1 minute cooldown that starts after leaving combat - looks nuts for M+). Covenant unique soul-bind abilities like Cheat Death as well as Covenant exclusive Legendary runeforge abilities are more likely going to have a greater influence than whether you can blink or not. These things will not be as obvious as “Covenant X or Covenant Y” but things that are dependent on class/spec and what form of content you’re tackling.
Ask yourself how many people actually could look at Shadow Priest talent tree right this second and make a determination whether their spec is “correct”? There are certainly players who could do it, but not most.
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Venthyr teleport won’t cost you dps, and doesn’t put you in combat.
I don’t watch particuliary preach video, I just took the example of the 2 covenants I feel are stronger right now.
Yes certain covenants will be better siutationaly, but bet is some situations will rarely happen and they can’t balance on making some abilities too good.
For me no matter they’ll all get nerfed to the ground.
At the point that people will inspect you for this, they might know. Yes I don’t expect every pug to inspect you. Like some pugs just ask for atoc, I personnal check raid logs.
IT WILL COST YOU DPS IF ANOTHER COVENANT HAS A BETTER LEGENDARY.
This is literally the point. If Phial of Pain actually makes it out into the field as-is as a Kyrian-only Legendary affix, it will be a heck of a lot better for any DPS with stealth and existing blink mechanics for M+.
YOU ARE NOT CHOOSING A BLINK VS A SHIELD YOU ARE CHOOSING EVERYTHING IN ONE COVENANT VS EVERYTHING IN ANOTHER COVENANT.
Think bro, common. I hate to bust out the all-caps but you need to read and understand, stop parroting Preach bro.
Yes we will have to see in the grand scheme of things.
We will see when we get the numbers.
But saying it won’t happen is the parrot thing. You’re repeating Ion.
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This will be another disaster like azerite armor was, there is no way they can balance this right, if you dont pick the right setup you wont be invited for sure to groups. By the time they fix the system people will be enrage in frustration and leave the game.
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I am extremely confident that Door of Shadows will not be the scariest element of the Covenant system. The legendary system seems far more scary. Unless your spec has a mandatory legendary for your rotation (feral or Shadow Priest), you may be pigeonholed into a Covenant because the biggest DPS boost comes from getting a specific Covenant-only DPS boosting affix that works well with your spec.
The only class that comes to mind being strongly influenced by Door of Shadows is probably the Death Knight, simply because his mobility is so bad that a huge movement speed boost will be a sizable performance boost.
Preach is just wrong dude. He simply wants to shock the system and get people angry so he say something over-the-top. The other commentator he had on “Covenant Wars” walked back Preach’s statements a bit and Preach agreed but it’s too late, the masses already heard “Venthyr broken” and people like you are parroting it.
Did I ever say door of shadow, you’re taking my example too seriously.
If you have something agaisn’t Preach go at him, I’m not here to represent him in anyway.
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My biggest issue with this whole thing is that Blizzard still hides behind the guise of a “meaningful choice.” There is no choice here. The best example I can give is Legion Legendaries. If we could pick exactly which 2 Legendaries we wanted from the start, every single class/spec would be using the same 2 Legendaries. It’s the same idea here. Once we get the full picture, the class discords will start number crunching and theorycrafting and the choice will be made for us before the expansion even starts. There is nothing meaningful about it.
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How about you let guys let blizz get finished with the alpha and let the beta get started and see the changes come. Granted its not perfect but I actually like the idea of soulbinds and covenants and I’ve been around since the company started. If you actually go through the soulbinds there is aspects of ‘door of shadows’ that make it quite useful to many classes since that was the example people are using. And the ‘slots’ you will be filling might possibly have stats added to them in a recent statement by Ion with Bellular. Give them time to make adjustments and remember that not everyone will be happy with their final decision. You cant please everyone but I am happy that they are listening much more for this xpac than past ones.
From what I’ve read the only thing we can swap freely without restriction is which of the three soulbinds we have active.
Covenants will be a “easy to leave … hard to return to” sort of deal.
So, if you chose a Covenant for RAID ability, and blizzard nerfs it and gives that raid ability to another Covenant, you have a boatload of work to get back up to speed because you also have to build your soulbinds up with the new covenant.
Yeah, its going to be a mess. For everyone from Casual to cutting edge players.
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Now is the time to make them aware how badly they’ve screwed things up. They got so obsessed with the idea that their “vision” is what is best for the game. But in their arrogance, they forget that ones vision can be faulty and in need of corrective assistance.
“It’s Just Early Access, they’ll fix it!”
“It’s Just Alpha, they’ll fix it!”
“It’s Just Beta, they’ll fix it!”
“It’s just first patch, they’ll fix it!”
At what point can we say “you shouldn’t have done this in the first place?”
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