Covenant system

Okay blizzard so you’re too scared to back out of your covenant choice. We get it. We all know that the system you have in place will be a problem. We’ve predicted it and it will happen at launch as it has already happened on beta.

So. A new idea, if you haven’t came to this idea then i don’t know why.

All covenants are obtainable. Through the same way you have in place now, but one doesn’t remove the previous one you selected. Now once you’ve completed the quests to gain the ability for that covenant you get to keep that covenant. You can add a new covenant ui that allows you to pick which one you would like to pursue renown for. Pursuing renown for said covenant progresses you toward the armor sets or cosmetics you have in place in the game already.

Now you have all 4 covenants on your person. Which means you have all the abilities for the covenants on your person. You can now swap to any of the covenants at any given time in any given place to use the ability you need or want for the specific content you do. Using that covenant choice while playing the game earns you renown toward that covenant, whether you’re pursuing the progression or not. Problem solved on the hard covenant swapping.

Problem solved on the ability problem.

Problem solved on the “meaningful” player choice. Because you choose the order on which covenant you wish to pursue, as well if you wish to not pursue certain ones. We all know there are players who do not care to be “meta” or “optimal.” That’s fine, so they still have that choice. We all know players who would like to pursue every covenant for story and lore reasons. That’s great, with this you could do that without repercussion. Players who want to be optimal and desire to have every ability on hand for any type of content? Well, this fixes that too.

Now covenants would be mainly cosmetic only like people want. If you wanted to implement a reward of “bonus” renown gain that stacks each day the longer you stick with the covenant while completing content in the game then fine, that too promotes the player base who would prefer to stick with one single covenant and have “meaningful” choice.

And before someone mentions “but i don’t wanna see a kyrian covenant player in Kyrian transmog using Venthyr abilities, how immersion breaking.” No, just no, you will not even notice eventually, transmog is transmog, that is player choice. Seeing a fire mage dressed in frost transmog is the same concept here.

This entire system right here, would be the win/win/win/win/win/win to every scenario.

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This definitely needed a new thread.

Definitly as long as a problem exist it will get a thread so get ready for the next months/year, but yes each time it might get derailed faster and faster.

We have the ripcord thread. I think we’re good.

Correct. It did.

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It does need a new post and more new posts … Why? Because we’ve been down this road before … Remember how everyone complained about Azerite Armor in BFA alpha, beta and at launch? Did it stop them from pushing that awful system through? Nope. And look what happened. Even Blizzard knew and admitted the system was bad and then what happened after that? They spent countless time and resources fixing it in the middle of the expansion when they should have been putting that time and resources to different content.

The same thing is going to happen with Covenants if they don’t fix them.

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Wrong but ok and I support the OP. Just not the decision to not put this in the huge thread dedicated to this.

The sheer volume of new threads dedicated to this topic is indicative of how problematic the issue truly is.

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And remember all the posts about azerite? How’d that turn out?

Over 3k posts in one thread does the same thing.

And only a handful of players made the greater majority of those posts. lol

9 posting characters posted nearly 2k times there. This isn’t as big of an issue as you like to think it is.

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I real adore the people who think this isn’t all going to be a horrible mess once Shadowlands is live.

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Players think everything is always a mess. Complaints are nothing new.

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Absolutely, but this is going to have an impact a lot larger than the crowd that always complains on the forum. Many WoW players (the ones who aren’t on forums) don’t even really understand how all of these systems work yet so they’re going to be caught off guard once they get to use them.

It’s not as bad a problem as Azerite armor was in BFA beta, but it’s still a problem in SL. Maybe I’m wrong and the community will love Covenants and Soulbinds that nudge them a little towards playing only one spec and punish them for making decisions based on story instead of player power. But I’m not optimistic.

Every new idea, every current patch, every current expansion… it’s always the worst thing in the world for this game. Complaints are a dime a dozen. There is no way to make everyone happy with a game this size anyway.

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So your take is that bad designs shouldn’t be criticized because people complain about everything? Just seeking clarity here.

If you believe feedback and the forums have no use because everything is just complaints. Why are you here? Just to suffer? xd

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As I like to think it is. Who said that?

Nowhere did I even hint that feedback shouldn’t be given and I never even came close to saying anything that would hint that the forum has no use. I’m here to discuss the game, which is what the intended purpose of the forum is.

And nah, I don’t suffer here. If I didn’t enjoy the game I’d walk away and find something I do enjoy to spend my time on. I couldn’t imagine being one of those guys who rants about how bad the game is year after year but refuses to leave. It’s hilarious.

Your last comment was dismissive.
Reducing it to players will never be happy and will always complain is trying to diminish valid complaints.

I can clearly Imagine someone being so pissed off at other people trying to have fun, those people who post feedback to make a game better because they want to play that game. That this someone would keep posting on a forum just to tell them they can’t, I heard it’s something like trolling.

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