Just want to keep bringing attention to how horrible the covenant system is.
This time we have pretty pictures to demonstrate.
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Neat! I’m in the smol slice :3
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I mean, the only thing those charts show is that one single covenant is not dominating the others. Everyone is not going to one choice. Instead, the choices seem spec related.
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It’s interesting that the developers tried to claim with a straight face that (1) it would be balanced (it can never be so, there is always an optimal in any game based on numbers unless you make them all the same numbers) and (2) the differences would be so minimal that players wouldn’t care about them and would pick based on aesthetics or story.
How they could possibly say either (1) or (2), even to themselves, with a straight face 16 years into this game, knowing both how the game works and the mindset of the vast majority of its players, is mind-boggling and frankly rather disturbing.
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That’s still bad.
I do not agree. It is inevitable that one choice will always be the “best” pick if they all grant different powers, and players who are generally unsure of what they want to pick will just pick what is best for their spec.
The only other choice is to have the factions grant nothing power related, and that, to me, is what is bad. It will make covenants an empty choice that means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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That is exactly what makes it bad.
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We do not see eye-to-eye on this. Sorry.
No, the covenant choice matters nothing if the majority of people flock to it because it’s better than the others. From the statistics it’s obvious the big majority of players picked the Covenant based on what was BiS/competitive, which we all knew was going to happen. If player power was removed from the Covenants, people would pick whatever fits their character most, whichever zone they like the most, which transmog or mount they want the most, etc. Then, the choice would matter.
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I think the charts prove the exact opposite of what you are saying. For instance, Icy-Veins recommends that balance druid go with Kyrian for both single-target and AOE. But the chart shows that most balance druids are Night Fae, by far. That shows that people are choosing covenants based on their personal preference, as I did.
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"By spec data " ?? lmao
Do you have exact figure on this so called majority you keep bragging about , or you do not know ?
Funny, actually reading their guide says Night Fae is the better single target.
Warcraft logs also agree’s
The majority of people flock to one choice because the majority of people are unsure of what to pick. WoW is often a game where players feign to make their own build choices, and, instead choose to follow a guide on their build. It is the player’s choice to do that and the game is not forcing them.
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I guess it can be read both ways: " As you can see, there is merit to choosing either [Kyrian]or [Night Fae]. Overall, we think that Kyrian is the better of the two options as it is the more adaptable of the two. Kyrian is slightly worse on one and two targets but better as we begin to scale up in target count. Night Fae ends up being up to 6% better on single target and single target type fights but falls off sharply. If you are largely playing solo or pugging content, Night Fae should be your choice."
But if you look at the pie chart, balance druids overwhelmingly picked Night Fae.
Night Fae is greatly competitive for raiding for Balance Druids. Druids are also one of the rare classes that perfectly fit a certain covenant’s theme, so obviously it would be an outlier. If you look at practically every other class and spec, you’d see large gaps between covenant choices, vast majority of players going to the BiS covenant.
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Its been proven that Night Fae is better, with 1 exception so far.
Even if I pick covenants based on power, I’m still going to roll alts in each of the other ones. So we can still enjoy them all for whatever reason you want.
But I have agreed from the beginning that covenants should not be tied to abilities at all.
Interesting,I can understand the druides going night fae and paladins kyrian but the others ? Like I said before they should up date the info in these sites to reflect the changes.
I think for most classes, there doesn’t seem to be an overwhelming matching theme. So I’m sure many are going with the best power, and others are just going with preference.
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