And they’re the only thing we’re getting. So yes, they are basically our talents.
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This is straight false ^^^^^, sorry. There’s follow talent trees, unpruning of abilities, torgast, etc
Ability unpruning and a tower is not a new row of talents at max level.
And I have no idea what a “follow talent tree” is.
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It’s not difficult to imagine a situation on a raid encounter where the obvious strat involves “and then here, everybody removes their bleeds/curses/poisons with the Kyrian ability”.
That isn’t elitist, that’s strategy. And using cooldowns on a regular rotation during periods of high damage is routine in raiding.
Kyrian is a cooldown.
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Imagine gating people because they didn’t pick the covenant for 1 fight mechanic.
It isn’t gating. Stop thinking in terms of pugging.
The actual scenario would be “At this point, everyone use their Kyrian ability, but one of the Paladins will have to BoP Fred because he isn’t Kyrian.”
It’s not Fred being excluded, it’s the team having more stress put on it because Fred isn’t Kyrian.
In your hypothetical, the majority of the raid all went Kyrian in order to counter that one boss mechanic. That’s just a very exaggerated scenario. What will happen is they’ll encounter a boss, some players will cleanse it, others won’t. That’s okay because those other players will have other bosses where their covenant’s signature ability will be more useful.
If covenant abilities were useless, there’d be no point. They’re flavorful because they’re useful. Everyone will have some situation where they’ll be glad they picked their respective covenant.
It’s Mythic Kil’jaeden, it’s Mythic Blackfuse, it’s Mythic Garrosh.
It’s all happened before, it will all happen again.
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When you find a guild in SL that raids strictly with Kyrians for a single boss mechanic, and isn’t a top-end mythic raiding guild, you can come back here and say I told you so. Feel free to bookmark this page. I’m very confident in how unrealistic your hypothetical Kyrian-only guild is. I’ll be pretty surprised if you find one, let alone so many that we have to throw the idea away altogether.
Follower talent trees…there was an actual name for the feature that’s eluding me…
Soulbind maybe?
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Yes that’s it!
I’m sorry… is this a comparison of a random follower’s abilities to our own talent tree that’s been neglected since Warlords? Because some passives tied to a follower in a specific Covenant does not make our own craptastic talent tree somehow better.
And as I said… the only thing were getting is what we’re getting from Covenants. So I was not wrong.
I proved my point that there’s more crap coming other than covenants, I don’t get what you’re trying to prove starting further arguments lol.
No. You didn’t. The Soulbinds are still from Covenants. So I was very much right in the fact that all we get is from Covenants.
Honestly the druid abilities seem to be more inclined to the hybrid aspect of the class rather than the throughput of one role.
I personally think other classes are actually going to have more awkwardness swapping role than Druid is. That said I worry that the hybrid nature of the Druid’s covenant ability concept will affect their strength as abilities compared to the more singular “this ability does damage” abilities that other classes are granted.