It’s pretty impersonal badness though. Hell most of the souls they’re torturing don’t have much of an identity either.
I kind of feel uninvested in stopping the frowny faces crimes against the no faces.
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That’s literally not going to happen. Sylvanas is way worse then three of those she kidnapped, and I’ll let you pick the one she’s on equal footing with. I’ll give you a hint, it’s the other one of the bunch who can do no wrong. Her army of stand ins, so far is supposed to be the foil of life, and the happenings of Shadowlands, and they’re grey, metallic, soulless, and only dragging things out.
I guess i’m different then. It’s like in Doom eternal, with the demons invading earth and killing literally billions of humans, and then painfully transforming their souls into energy. You have no personal connection to any of those people as the Doom slayer. But that doesn’t stop me from hating the demons, and taking great pleasure in performing every glory kill I can.
Point is, it doesn’t have to be personal for me. If someone does bad, I want to stomp them in.
And ALL of our characters genocide races less favored like the Murlocs for a pair of shoes we will discard in 2 hours of gameplay tops, soooo??
This is quite the poor narrative argument, especially when the gameplay mostly makes us act like worse overall than those “sadistic baddies”.
This. And not only that, WoW´s PC is objectively a worse individual -at least the Masworn are following the revolution concocted by a mad god; our characters kill innocents for “money” (A.K.A. titles, purples, Gold, mounts, etc.) making us amoral mercenaries by the purest sense of the word-.
Oh, with the current team of hackers writting to stroke their egos? Certainly not. But this doesn´t discredit my point about the story improving if the pet characters / self inserts get expelled from the narrative.
These words actually imply you take an absolutely PERSONAL approach to the game. And that´s fine, but certainly not a generalization. For some people playing the White Knight is insufficient when they can take other approaches to the game.
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Well if we consider any kind of large scale battle as genocide, sure. It’s just that I feel the word loses all meaning if you do that, so I don’t. I have definitely killed a lot of murlocs on my characters. And not one of them were neutral. And pretty much all of them were the agressors in those conflicts. And you’re not even allowed to attack the tadpoles, ever.
I guess.
Really? You consider that playing a white knight?
Do you need to scare the tadpoles on the Forsaken quest?
Oh, you need me to discredit your point about the self-insert characters. Okay.
So. The fictional character, with irl human simps, and impenetrable plot armor, has abducted atleast two decent characters, and two bad ones. we’re going to now spend an entire expansion trying to save these characters, from the -actual- simp queen. Who’s narrative sense is pretty much, tweaking herself in the hole of hell, where she might as well have dialogue expressing how she’s just waiting to be rid of the whole experience, to give her simps more argumentative wiggle room on why we’re not even fighting them, and instead are fighting, automaton sets of armor.
‘What’s the take away from this Shadowlands cutscene Vuldezi’.
Clearly. The close up of the simp queens face. EVERYONE is supposed to enjoy that by some ‘peoples’ standards.
OMFG THE SIMP QUEEN IS POUTING. So interesting. Like wow.
Yeah, and that’s because the Doomslayer is like a masterclass in characterization. You don’t know who he is, you don’t know why he’s here, all you know is he HATES demons and boy oh boy is he going to be proactive about it.
The glory kills are mechanics serving the story telling. Because he never just snaps a neck when he can twist a head until it pops right the duck off. And the efficiency in which he does this, even to demons who very clearly are made of some tough stuff, shows this is a job he both loves and has lots of experience in.
Torghast though - this is like the, what, seventh army using souls for bad stuff I’ve encountered. And the one I know the least about. The Scourge and Legion had been picking fights with me at level 12. Even if you never read a quest description or played the whole game in a language you don’t speak you’d still get a sense of history and raising stakes from your own personal adventures with them.
Here though I just kinda don’t care. Oh they’re doing bad things to souls. Big deal so’s the Warlock helping me kill them. What’s their motivation? Do they have one? Do the shades and suits of armor I destroy along my path feel like they failed? Do they feel at all? Do they have any agency or are they just soul powered robots? In which case at least the Legion did it better.
And it stands out because the rest of the Covenants are dripping with characterization and little nuggets of world building. While the Maw has nothing. What even are the mutilated corpses I sometimes see dangling around Torghast? Why are there Vargul there? Why are there randomly skeleton mages?
I’d love to ask someone but all the residents are gray frowny faces who don’t even drop the odd vendor trash with flavor text.
Edit: Like going back to my initial point about the Witches - I immediately didn’t like them. Because I can imagine how much it would suck to be frozen in place while rats start to nibble through your shoes, and then keep on eating.
But I don’t know what hurting a soul feels like. They’re less torturing people and more the vague concept of one.
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Not all of us play humans, orcs, and tauren.
Let them rot.
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I still want to see someone kill Sylvanas. You don’t have to come with me.
She could die of a broken neck for all i care i just want her gone, if its not a snuff film of sylvanas in 4khd narrated by earl jones or morgan freeman starring a gnome and a goblin its not worth it so she may as well dissapear from the story.
lol Wouldn’t it be funny if she got eaten though? Lol c’mon guys. Wouldn’t it be funny if Sylvanas got eaten, or like…ate me?
i thought only forsaken got that kind of thing going on then i realized you’re a troll, well go for it and ask benedikt to help you, maybe you can film it and sell it to her fans.
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Nah, I’d just prefer her to die. It could be in a cutscene though, we don’t need the blowback from another Vol’jin-esque demise. I’m glad we get to kick around against her, and I understand why it has to be enemy ‘shapes’. I don’t need people eaten in my Warcraft either, I was being funny… thanks
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The only humanoid thing she’s fed off of is the labor of the Forsaken proletariat! Slyvanas is to the Forsaken what Stalin was to the Soviet Union. In this essay I will…
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BFA Horde
Cataclysm Horde
Noice.
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lol All it needs is a complete overhaul of what the Alliance has been built into, and been doing for years, and someone out of the reeds with a totally opposing viewpoint to what hasn’t been allowed to happen organically at any point during the length of this MMO, without a great wailing, and doomsaying.
It’s on the top of their tongue, don’t you know?
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Past activities of their enemies would just make it that much easier to recruit the armies needed to effectively start a war. Alliance has enough people angry and eager to see the Horde disappear.
All the same, they’d still be starting a war when there’s a peace agreement thus making them the villains.
Depends, who’s writing?
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Was there a peace agreement when the Horde attacked in BFA?