Well your quote isn’t necessarily hypocrisy depending on certain things. But as I said, most religious people only vaguely agree or follow scripture.
Doesn’t really support or argue against the point I was actually making. But if you’re fine giving it up, sure.
Them following or not the parameters they supposedly should does not magically make those principles dissapear or be less or more important for other people. That´s literally just people making a choice for themselves and being more or less hypocritical while at it.
I´m afraid I misunderstood what were you trying to say back there then.
I´m literally only a btch when people either says really really stupid stuff and/or are acting like a-holes themselves so…
You gave the excuse to “Auntie Jaina”… who is basically fem Blanduin any time the narrative focuses on her. The only time she´s not a lore black hole rampaging and creating plot holes is when she gets made into a plothole / Deux Ex Machina herself so her God King Blanduin can be validated as absolutely right for the sake of convenience. Which means she´s equally terrible all things considered, she simply doesn´t have as much focus as Blanduin right now -I mean, BfA´s narrative basically VALIDATED Daelin with harsh real facts… but no, muh Jaina got to be right into becoming a peacemongering idiot cause mommy said so!!..-.
And Baine… he´s not even a character himself, he´s a glorified plot device to the pet characters / self inserts A.K.A. Anduin, Jaina and even Thrall himself.
Considering that Sylvanas can’t fix what she has caused, even if she toiled for a million years, i’d say killing her is very justified. Tto avenge those she has killed, to give closure to their still living kin, and finally to ensure that she can’t do any more damage.
Because that would be a very different game from world of warcraft, and it would probably not sell very well among wow fans. Sounds more like a paradox game.
Gameplay has allways taken precedence over lore, especially in wow. Even so, you can create a narrative where murlocs, gnolls and the like are a genuine threat in their own right, and thus have to be fought against. And although I am tired of hearing it myself, it is world of warcraft, not world of peacecraft.
Well the entire point of religion coming up was about what people actually believe
Whether those principles exist in scripture doesn’t mean people believe or follow them. It doesn’t make them necessarily good principles.
Just that killing isn’t always bad. And that that’s am incredibly common belief.
they should of been evil in BFA, that being said I do not see it happening. Horde evil is the new blizzard narrative. We can even see in HOTS and HearthStone.
I´m literally only a btch when people either says really really stupid stuff and/or are acting like a-holes themselves so…
…all the time. Because, your singular attitude seems to be birch, unless you’re getting called out for being belligerent.
Jaina is a fantastic character, and expresses both sadness, and anger in a better way the Anduin, or your Queen. The same Queen I’m sure you’re giddy, and elated to have the narrative absolutely lay down for, so mommy can excuse any singular facet of this character, for ‘reasons’ mhmm. Probably the Alliance’s moral absolutism, is why Sylvanas is looking a little sympathetic right now, sure.
I’m allowed to like characters, despite their flaws, these characters can be enjoyable, and decently written for my expectations.
WHERE’S YOUR PROOF OF A DOUBLE STANDARD? Because, now it looks like you’re trying to wriggle out from underneath that. Do you even know what double standard means? Anduin, and Sylvanas are characters that change the story for the worst, but Sylvanas is the worse of the two, it’s just by an actually noticeable impact by her actions. Anduin atleast mindcontrols the other characters at this point, for how off character they act.
I´d say the actual funny thing is how the average games ARE the actual Paradox. What I mention IS the standard we Humans put on ourselves irl (for example, when Humans introduce invasive animal species into foreign territories the easy/cheap answer would be to genocide the invader animal species to completely supress it´s negative impact onto the endemic population; but what actually happens is that the humans in chargue of the territory have to design an entire process to both contain the invader and relocate it to it´s original environment WITHOUT hurting it). But then again this is no surprise, after all we humans don´t log into a game to relieve our stressful lives but to escape them for a few hours. We can do in games what we can´t irl (there we steal, murder, cheat and pillage to our heart content´s and nobody gets hurt!!. Better yet: we get applauded for it).
Also, the idiosincrasy of games isn´t precisely coherent for irl standards. Let´s take WoW for example… it´s basically a game with the word “War” into it´s title, implying this is about different species killing each other for some reason, and it has been lowkey trying to push for a “War is BaD” message since the beginning… which is kinda contradictory cause then one wonders that if the War in Warcraft is “bad” then why construct the whole leveling and gameplay process over the very logistics of war, murder and pillaging? It makes no sense, but then again, people don´t log into a game to get realistic consequences onto their playing characters / avatars.
Indeed. Ergo why the current push for the Blanduin / Sylvanas dicotomy is SO aggravating… and why the players HATED to be chastised for the very logistics designed by the game.
And why pretending to take absolute moral stances with our PCs is quite redundant… I mean the whole supporting the game is a big mess of incoherence in itself.
Crazy idea that’s probably wrong, but there’s always the chance that everyone feeling bad and dissatisfied was the point, so they could “teach the player” a lesson that wanting to continue to war against each other was bad. Kinda like Spec Ops: The Line pulling a bait-and-switch about how the point was to make players uncomfortable.
Doesn’t strike me as a good idea if the players in question aren’t going into the game expecting that sort of story, though.
I repeat: only when people say stupid stuff and/or are acting like a-holes themselves. Which implies that while I aknowledge the brashness of my character, people that can´t even do that are the less indicated to complain when they get a virtual slap to the face for acting like a conceited entitled child.
Dude, your first mistake is trying to diminish my argument using the “YoU aRe A sYlVaNuS fAnGiRl”… when I´m not even a fan of the character. And sorry, but she kinda has never been “my Queen”. No character in no game franchise will ever be “my Queen / King”. I do live in a country that while corrupted, practices democracy and that´s miles better than the political farse sprouted in WoW.
Jaina in my opinion is a terrible character cause just like Anduin, her actual mistakes are NEVER aknowledged by the narrative, and her responsability in the events that caused her “hurt” are ALWAYS put onto other characters, not herself as it would had been had she been anything better than a pathetic pet favorite of the writers.
Of course you are allowed to subjectively like them. What is NOT honest is to put this “personal taste” over the OBJECTIVE construction of the character itself while you pretend you aren´t doing it. I like Kael´thas as a character, but I´m NOT gonna pretend he didn´t degenerate into a incoherent madman in TBC for example.
Putting subjective bias over objective analysis IS the very deffinitionof a double standard. Cause you don´t apply the rule the same way to every member of the group being evaluated, period.
I’m sure you’re not a Sylvanas fan girl for this argument. But, since you’re desperate to be taken seriously I’ll concede to give you a, yeah whatever.
Jaina literally has her mistakes brought to her face all the time. Beneath Org, involving Derek and Baine, Sunreavers, Theramore, and her own country. What are you talking about?
There’s only so much spotlight that can be had by the characters, I don’t need diatribes about Jaina’s favorite food so I can better understand her character.
You’re factually incorrect, the definition of double standard is improperly giving consideration to one side over the other. Kind of like how it’s obvious you don’t like Jaina for no reason. Jaina existed before Anduin, and his name is in your explanation of what makes her a lesser character in your opinion? Seriously?
Also, you’re convincing yourself that you’re giving a
virtual slap to the face
To someone, because you’re
literally only a btch
and, you’re pinching yourself over this delusional fact you even make sense. You’re unable to even remotely understand what a double standard is, and are trying to apply it to nothing I’ve said in a rabid grasp for relevance to the fact you’re
literally only a btch
I’d say the messege, if there is any, is that despite war and conflict being almost an inevitability in that world, it’s still worth fighting for peace, and for a better future.
I assume you mean current push from the writers, because no one on this forums likes what they have done with either character.
Eh, Catholic do allow killing in self defense. It and of itself is not a mortal sin.
Some of the quest does that but normally you are allowed to roleplay how your character acts. The assumption is your character has not done ever quest in WoW and you can just assume he/she would only do quest that align with their morality.