Could we not be omnipotent story/design wise please?

TL;DR gameplay wise, Every class doesn’t need to be good at everything. And all of the “fun” shouldn’t revolve around big shiny cooldowns that don’t even really relate to our base class IMO.

It really does feel like we appeal to the monkeys paw when things are requested from a development standpoint for literal years on end, and then when it’s finally implemented, without failure, it’s “ah, no. not like that.”

I know it wasn’t unanimous to ask for borrowed power to be removed from the game. But I really struggle to understand how removing borrowed power got interpreted as “Turn the current borrowed power into a permanent class feature.”

As a rogue, I’d very much like to return to being a leather melee class akin to the warrior with no magic at my disposal rather than the Apostle of the Blueberry guild from the Afterlife shattering mortal flesh with an Echoing Reprimand.

Just. Dial the fantasy waaaaay back. Yeah, we borrowed the power of the myths and legends that were larger than life and spent the very lifeforce of the planet to fight back Sargeras. Only to fight the planet itself into submission as it complained about one heckin bellyache, finally to go beyond into the afterlife so that we could witness the coup de grace on our favourite lore characters.

But I think that’s enough adventure for one day? If we’ve learned so much from classic launch, couldn’t going back to basics involve I don’t know, some of the basics?

We’re still demigods on the power scale, and it’s a little offputting.

If future class design could somehow incorporate being humbled and taught to appreciate our classes for what they were before we started juicing, that’s my vote.

Get some panda to smack the crap out of us blindfolded with a wooden stick or something. Enough of the Champion.

Edit: I think the new talent system does a great job enabling classes to do exactly what I’m asking, I’d just like for further steps to be taken.

game can’t go that way again sadly.

mythic can’t work with how say pre cata lack of homogenization was set up.

everyone needs a self heal. everyone needs a few cc’s…

or else they’d fail.

why I wait to see what heroic + for classic is. I know it cna’t be mythic like. 4 people eternally bandaging up since no self heal would be clunky as hell when the healer is OOM.

shame that. I literally play classic for this here combat rogue. she started this journey…and I liked it. so I stayed around longer.

Blizzard will never be forgiven for the outlaw changes by me lol.

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I agree some spells don’t feel like they fit so much. I also think they me be working through a revamp. Much of classic design is already creeping in to retail. Talents/profession for instance. Maybe next xpax or further through patches they will work out more. But I would like a class redesign but not a full re work. Keep most of what’s there. But try to work close to class fantasy

Really we need way more class fantasy it’s really been lost. Legion worked to bring it back but only for one xpax.

All in all I’d like to see the power dialed back a bit. And having to work with others to have a full tool set.

Yeah. I had to quickly edit as I realized I didn’t give credit here where it was due. The talent system does enable for the most part classes to, if they chose to, remain true to the basics. With very thematic, more grounded options as opposed to the giant flashy borrowed covenant abilities that seem to pop up here and there for most classes.

I think this is an excellent point and I’m not ready to provide a solution. Frustrating. As people do seem to love mythic+ and i’m not one to get in the way of that.

you’re preaching to the choir here. I’ve never played combat but I did and do have a fondness for all things pre-legion rogue.

Yeah. I just wish it was more traditional i guess? I thought for some time that maybe I was just nostalgic but as it turns out I really enjoy wotlk class design. I want to play retail; I’ve seen everything wotlk has to offer. but I can’t shake that i’m currently playing some homogenous melee and in wotlk I’m a Rogue

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I just started retail again. For me I’m actually starting to feel like a pally again. Blessing of sacrifice is back I can actually fear undead again. Little things like that go a long long way. It’s far from classic but it’s also not classic. I think they should look to why the design then worked and how to modernize it.

Fingers crossed I guess. Most important thing we can do is give feed back right now.

Yeah. I’ve been looking at picking mine back up. Losing exorcism when the legion invaded just felt wrong and I didn’t look back. But hey, there it is :slight_smile: