It was always a problem, because noone wanted you if you didnt have BiS and BiS was titanforged. You dont get out much do you?
Yeah, this is ridiculous. “No one wanted you if you didn’t have BiS”. Things that literally no iteration of the game have had.
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How do you mean?
Ok as much as I dislike the WF/TF system that was never a thing. No one required you to have full TF gear to play with them because everyone knew you didn’t have control over it.
The problem was one person getting lucky with a TF (usually a trinket or weapon) they’d be just so much better than the other who wasn’t lucky. It’s a lot like the legiondary system where your first legiondary or two really defined how strong you were compared to another raider and that person could be “better” simply because they got lucky.
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People never required you to be “top titanforge BiS” to join pugs. Because if you’re in “full BiS”, you’re not joining pugs anyway for one. For two : they simply require you to have appropriate gear levels for “Farm mode” usually. Meaning you mostly have gear from the place, except a few odd 1 offs. Pugs build for success, not for roflstomping.
Titanforging was a reward. Corruption forging is a punishment.
You are proving my point here.
Theyd take the lucky person over the unlucky person.
Part of the other problem, is that people dont look for skill anymore, they look for a number. A number in no way defines the skill of a player. Someone could have a really high ilevel, and be garbage. Someone could have a high IO score, and have gotten carried. Someone could have AOTC and bought a run.
You must not get out much eaither. People from guilds like Method, Limit and other high end groups are still pugging to this day and doing this.
Ooooooooookkkkkkkkkk. Moving on.
Yep, go ahead and move on since you clearly dont pay much attention to what people are doing other than yourself. Shoo, move along now.
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Poe’s law in full effect right now.
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Byyyyye! Have a wonderful time!
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I mean they’d take the higher ilevel player more likely than not, especially if it was a pug looking at ilevel. There are enough variables in that scenario though, such as raid experience, wanting a specific class or not wanting another of that person signing up.
TF never really encouraged benching people in a raiding guild because you didn’t get lucky enough with yours and the other person did. It just felt bad to get a bad WF/TF and watch others get them, or specifically get the important TFs that made a more noticeable difference. Unless you were the unluckiest person on the planet your RNG to at least pick up certain WF/TF items was good enough that you were never going to fall behind ilevel-wise and if you’re playing the “ilevel is king for pugs” card then just getting TFs in general would suffice for you even if it was never your trinkets or weapons.
The system is honestly fine if they just put some restrictions on it. Like if it had a 2-3 roll cap and they took sockets out of the picture you’d actually have a decent system where the power of the item wasn’t going to go bananas if the stars aligned.
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How do they scale with ilevel? They literally have ranks on them that give you baseline increases based on those ranks. You could have a rank 3 affix on a 415 item and it would be just as strong as it was on a 445 item. The only difference is the stat weights on both pieces. Unless there is some hidden modifier they didn’t explain. As far as I’ve read it’s literally based on rank alone how powerful these are.
Or that’s how I understand it. Beyond that I have no idea how higher ilevel would improve the gear unless that is some hidden bonus they didn’t mention. And that’s very confusing if so because then on top of everything else I have to know how much power an ilevel adds to my affix as well… which is crazy.
I’m super casual and I wasn’t a fan of WF/TF. They didn’t feel rewarding.
Instead of giving people what was really asked for ( a way to upgrade gear at a vendor like we could in the past with some kind of currency or token from the expac) we get the you don’t like what we made , well then here is what you get instead we will call it spite er we mean corruption gear.
Many of the corruption effects actually scale with ilvl, meaning a Rank 3 415 doesn’t hit as hard as a Rank 3 445. Infinite Stars is one such effect, the damage proc is lower on lower ilvl pieces.
It also adds a lot of corruption. A rank 3 Infinite Stars is 75 corruption. You’re not wearing a full set of that.
Good god that is way too confusing. So now we also have ilevel modifying ranked affixes wtf I can’t keep track of this crud.
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My point.
This is true, but this is not the majority of players, majority of players pug things sadly.
Why do you need to keep track of it ? Just know it’s a thing and sim your pieces accordingly, properly accounting for your max tolerable levels of corruption.
It’s literally just something you need to know, not something you need to understand the complete inner workings of and scaling formulas.
You’re way overthinking this.
Well you started off with saying it caused issues with people wanting you to have BiS. It didn’t, in fact it really caused the opposite because if you’re in the pug life and ilevel is king then don’t worry about BiS, worry about whatever item has the highest ilevel so they’ll take you.