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And partially to compensate for the absurd power spike we are getting with the runes
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Halfway agree.
25 is far more manageable to handle then 40s and I personally like 25s more then 40s though I wouldn’t want to see those established guilds wanting to do SoD have to cut people as was done when Vanilla turned to TBC.
Possible solution?
Flex raid option for raid leader to choose between 25 and 40 in which the same gear drops but for the 25 you get 3-4pieces where with 40 you get 5-6.
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Or better yet, keep the 10m idea rolling into the 60 phase. Same loot but less if you clear it on 10m.
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40 man raids feel so much more epic than anything else. 25m is easier to manage, but it really loses something special. I would be pretty let down if they didn’t at least leave a variety of different raids ranging from 10 to 40.
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I’m on the fence. I loved my 40 man raids back in Classic, BUT I think we can all agree that it was definitely a hassle on most nights trying to herd all the cats into the raid and actually start on time unless you are some prog guild where it’s borderline their career. I wouldn’t mind keeping the original 40 mans, but adding in some 10/15/20/25 options into newer content.
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I understand the desire to want to keep 40 man raids, but there is a reason they changed it to 25 later on. Its too much of a burden on organizers, role leads, and quartermasters long term. That is why there was so much burn out about half way through BWL in the original run of Classic. I really, really hope they go the route of 25 mans.
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The only issue is to find tanks. Current 10s are easy so any dps can be tanks. But if you increase loot quality for 10s you will also have to increase its difficulty, thus, find dedicated tanks will be much harder. It’s hard to find MT for 40s, it will be much harder to find MT for 10s. More viable tank specs help, but doesn’t solve this problem.
Keep the mechanics, damage, and boss health the same. We’ll just bring 20 people because we’re souped up
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No thats dumb.
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Flex raids seem to be the best solution. Maintaining a 40 person roster is a pain and for guilds that aren’t at the top it’s even worse.
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25 is garbage and it makes no sense.
15/30 has always been ideal.
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I’d rather them convert the 25 man raids to 40 personally. I don’t think there were any issues with 40 man raids in Classic. If anything, it was a lot easier to fill them than it was the first time around, and it seems like they could have kept them at least that big going forward.
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Okay, what about flex raiding up to 40?
They probably have the technology…
The game needs standards, otherwise there is only the illusion of options. If 40m is the standard, then everyone must meet that standard. If they allow flexing and the size varies from 10 to 40, and you narrow your guild search down to those doing 40, then you have shrunk the size of the pool of guilds available to you. That is why flex raiding is not a satisfactory answer to anyone who would be hoping for 40m raids.
Well yeah, im sure some (maybe most) people will want to do 10s but 40s will exist as an option for those who want it. And if they do megaservers again then you dont even need to transfer.
Saying that only 40 or 25 man is an option crowds out smaller groups of people who just want to raid 10 but dont have the number of friends to attempt other content and therefore are blocked frlm the best rewards
That’s a lot of effort to build when launch is in less than two weeks.
Also what established guilds are 40?
Most of the classic wow playerbase is not currently raiding in era.
They are playing wotlk or are waiting for sod.
If I’m honest, I just don’t have any sympathy for anyone that fits that example. This isn’t a console game where you make a party out of your friend group. This is an MMO. You don’t need to be irl friends with your guild-mates. If your friend group isn’t large enough to do full sized raids, then the expectation should be that you invite more people or the group of you join a larger guild together.
On a side note, 25m raids are foreign to vanilla. The options would be either 10, 20, or 40 so as to be able to evenly divide up your 40-man team.
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While the scale of 40 man rads is… legendary, I hate that I have to agree, 25 man is so much easier to manage and keep a raid team going.
Hell, even 25 can be rough on people. The biggest driving force I have witnessed for people looking forward to cataclysm classic, is largely based upon 10 man and 25 man sharing loot and a lockout, people want 10 mans because 25 is hard to manage.
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I think 10 & 20 man raids would be ideal. 20 instead of 25 mainly to make it easier to transition any 40 man raid teams down to two teams instead of having to bench guys.
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Convert 40 man raids into 60 man.
10 man is barely a raid. This is Classic!
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