no.
MC was never the challenge you think it was.
I remember doing it as a fire mage ( because it wasnt challnging enough for me to respec for it, oh and elemental precision didnt exist ether so. )
You could get a truely stupid amount of spell power in pre raid and mc/blues.
MC was never the challenge you think it was.
I remember doing it as a fire mage ( because it wasnt challnging enough for me to respec for it, oh and elemental precision didnt exist ether so. )
You could get a truely stupid amount of spell power in pre raid and mc/blues.
11/07/2018 09:01 PMPosted by DonataliusIt pains me to say it because I love Vanilla and I want it back, but the Classic we are getting is not Vanilla.
It all come down to the easy raids they are giving us. People are going to faceroll their way through them thanks to the 1.12 buffs, and then they're gonna be sitting around with nothing to do.
And unlike retail, there isn't tons of little minigames like pet battles to occupy people when they finish their mindless raid runs. Classic's endgame is built around raiding. Everything from fishing, to gold farming, to gear hunting, to crafting is all strongly tied into the system of getting people progressed through raids.
Only now people will progress through raids in quest greens. There is simply nothing to keep people occupied at max level with the ezmode raids they are giving us. No reason for people to keep playing.
Oh look! Someone one who doesn't understand Vanilla was more then just the endgame.
11/07/2018 09:01 PMPosted by DonataliusIt pains me to say it because I love Vanilla and I want it back, but the Classic we are getting is not Vanilla.
It all come down to the easy raids they are giving us. People are going to faceroll their way through them thanks to the 1.12 buffs, and then they're gonna be sitting around with nothing to do.
And unlike retail, there isn't tons of little minigames like pet battles to occupy people when they finish their mindless raid runs. Classic's endgame is built around raiding. Everything from fishing, to gold farming, to gear hunting, to crafting is all strongly tied into the system of getting people progressed through raids.
Only now people will progress through raids in quest greens. There is simply nothing to keep people occupied at max level with the ezmode raids they are giving us. No reason for people to keep playing.
It all come down to the easy raids they are giving us. People are going to faceroll their way through them thanks to the 1.12 buffs, and then they're gonna be sitting around with nothing to do.
i keep seeing people say this and i want to know what the basis for it is?
they cant restore us to 8 buffs, because 8 buffs was at vanilla launch and the furthest back that they could recover, was 1.12. how do you expect them to restore the 8 buff limit, with no data (to correspond)? and thats not touching on any other points.
putting us at 8 buffs, would be manipulating or altering the 1.12 data and then, it would throw everything into imbalance. pvp, raiding, classes- everything. most of all meta game or end game.
the exact thing he said they did NOT want to do. so restoring 16, that corresponds with 1.12 data, is the best choice.
or is it because you want to create imbalance on purpose- so you can scream for more alterations, like class balancing aka class favoritism?
Hey look it's another one of those raiding is everything types...
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i keep seeing people say this and i want to know what the basis for it is?
they cant restore us to 8 buffs, because 8 buffs was at vanilla launch and the furthest back that they could recover, was 1.12. how do you expect them to restore the 8 buff limit, with no data (to correspond)? and thats not touching on any other points.
I dunno, maybe the multibillion dollar company that has produced countless raid and dungeon encounters for the last 14 years could somehow figure out a way to retune the content to compensate for the 1.12 buffs.
oh i see. so you feel that the 1.12 data should be altered on the progression side. tuning dungeon difficulty etc?
i'm just curious but have you been on the demo at all, by chance?
the reason i ask is because, for some odd reason- nothing official has even been dropped and you are already asking for 1.12 to be altered so that dungeon difficulty will be "harder". that is normally a red flag, for someone who has never played vanilla. let alone raided.
11/07/2018 09:02 PMPosted by Flåmno.
MC was never the challenge you think it was.
I remember doing it as a fire mage ( because it wasnt challnging enough for me to respec for it, oh and elemental precision didnt exist ether so. )
You could get a truely stupid amount of spell power in pre raid and mc/blues.
You didn't raid under content intended conditions because spell power was not remotely common until BWL launched.
Nice try tho.
What does that say about the current status? How many of us are coming back? Why they allow unsubscribed to post in this thread?
Because we are the silent majority that want to Make WoW Great Again!
Because we are the silent majority that want to Make WoW Great Again!
It's going to take at least a month or two for people to hit 60... but yes, I think they need to adjust tuning.
11/07/2018 09:02 PMPosted by Flåmno.
MC was never the challenge you think it was.
I remember doing it as a fire mage ( because it wasnt challnging enough for me to respec for it, oh and elemental precision didnt exist ether so. )
You could get a truely stupid amount of spell power in pre raid and mc/blues.
Spell power, as a stat, basically didn't exist in 1.1.
11/07/2018 09:19 PMPosted by Donatalius
The Classic we are getting is a recreation of the last couple months of Vanilla, not the entire thing. If you raided MC or BWL or anything prior to 1.12, it was a much harder experience than post 1.12.
Looking at your raid history achievements you never stepped foot in any vanilla raid.
I'm as casual as they come and I have more vanilla raiding under my belt which is a first here :)
ZG and AQ20 on my main.
11/07/2018 09:25 PMPosted by Brockthorn11/07/2018 09:19 PMPosted by Donatalius
The Classic we are getting is a recreation of the last couple months of Vanilla, not the entire thing. If you raided MC or BWL or anything prior to 1.12, it was a much harder experience than post 1.12.
Looking at your raid history achievements you never stepped foot in any vanilla raid.
I'm as casual as they come and I have more vanilla raiding under my belt which is a first here :)
ZG and AQ20 on my main.
Achievements did not retroactively apply for Vanilla raid content, unless you had very specific quest items from the raid.
99% of people with the achievements earned them by running the raid post-Wrath. It's not a useful metric of people's Vanilla raid experience.
DOA because of 16 buffs and not 8? lmao yeh ok. Won't miss you.
OP has taken a bad rhetorical step in declaring raiding the “point” of Vanilla.
But, OP is correct to point out that raids will need to be retuned. The rarity of epic items is a major benefit of Vanilla that was methodically reduced over time. It would be a huge letdown to see the purple loot piñata mentality of Wrath+ seep into Classic.
Trivializing raiding through anachronous itemization, talents, debuff limit, etc., would be a crying shame, as that “version” of Classic already exists on a server near you.
But, OP is correct to point out that raids will need to be retuned. The rarity of epic items is a major benefit of Vanilla that was methodically reduced over time. It would be a huge letdown to see the purple loot piñata mentality of Wrath+ seep into Classic.
Trivializing raiding through anachronous itemization, talents, debuff limit, etc., would be a crying shame, as that “version” of Classic already exists on a server near you.
11/07/2018 09:27 PMPosted by Aryxymaraki11/07/2018 09:25 PMPosted by Brockthorn...
Looking at your raid history achievements you never stepped foot in any vanilla raid.
I'm as casual as they come and I have more vanilla raiding under my belt which is a first here :)
ZG and AQ20 on my main.
Achievements did not retroactively apply for Vanilla raid content, unless you had very specific quest items from the raid.
99% of people with the achievements earned them by running the raid post-Wrath. It's not a useful metric of people's Vanilla raid experience.
I didn't look under achievements - legacy. I looked under raid history.
Didn't 16 debuffs come in like patch 1.7 or 1.8? So you all ready had it prior to 1.12.
A whole bunch of you need to realize too that the game grew in popularity as time went on. Many more players experienced the middle-end of Vanilla then the very beginning that so many are screeching for.
A whole bunch of you need to realize too that the game grew in popularity as time went on. Many more players experienced the middle-end of Vanilla then the very beginning that so many are screeching for.
11/07/2018 09:34 PMPosted by Brockthorn
I didn't look under achievements - legacy. I looked under raid history.
Doesn't matter. Still doesn't track that far back.
Blizzard did not track raid completion in Vanilla, and no tool in their database will make accurate history appear. If yours says ZG/AQ20, and you did them in vanilla, and never did them post-Wrath, then it's because of specific quest completions/items that they were able to find in your character. It's simply not accurate on a large scale.
11/07/2018 09:01 PMPosted by DonataliusIt pains me to say it because I love Vanilla and I want it back, but the Classic we are getting is not Vanilla.
It all come down to the easy raids they are giving us. People are going to faceroll their way through them thanks to the 1.12 buffs, and then they're gonna be sitting around with nothing to do.
And unlike retail, there isn't tons of little minigames like pet battles to occupy people when they finish their mindless raid runs. Classic's endgame is built around raiding. Everything from fishing, to gold farming, to gear hunting, to crafting is all strongly tied into the system of getting people progressed through raids.
Only now people will progress through raids in quest greens. There is simply nothing to keep people occupied at max level with the ezmode raids they are giving us. No reason for people to keep playing.
You can't undo experience. There's going to be a lot of people that never played classic that won't know vanilla raid fights. Each server will have its balance of veterans and noobs. Now, if a group of veterans wants to tackle legacy content without having a single classic noob in their raid, and they complain, "oh, this is too easy," that's on them. The goal of every raid guild should be to create a balanced raiding guild so that the experience can feel authentic. IOW you want to wipe once in a while! :)
11/07/2018 09:10 PMPosted by Donatalius11/07/2018 09:09 PMPosted by MatcauthonHey look it's another one of those raiding is everything types...
I take it you enjoy some part of the game other than raiding. Thats good. Imagine if they took that part you love and removed the thing you loved from it.
I enjoy raiding too. But the thing is
Classic has 60 levels of world to see. Dozens of zones.
11/07/2018 09:10 PMPosted by Donatalius11/07/2018 09:09 PMPosted by MatcauthonHey look it's another one of those raiding is everything types...
I take it you enjoy some part of the game other than raiding. Thats good. Imagine if they took that part you love and removed the thing you loved from it.
It's not that he was mocking you over it, he was mocking your statement. Your statement pretends that raiding is the end all be all only thing Vanilla had to it. "Dead on Arrival" due to earlier raids being easy would suggest that raiding is everything there is in Vanilla.