There’s two main PvE progression paths right now, M+ and Raid.
Currently you need very specific raid drops to progress your character in raids. You need drops in 5 specific Domination socket slots in order to progress. Very few pieces of loot drop, making it very difficult to get the very specific pieces you need in order to even use the Domination gems, if you happen to get them.
Further, in M+, you frequently get gear in these slots which conflicts with the Domination sockets, making that drop null. Very little loot drops in M+, and when an item drops in one of those 5 slots, it is effectively a dead piece of loot.
Given the time it takes to complete the raid and M+ runs, you end up with very little to show for your efforts.
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yeah the rewards team has done a poor job in these past expansions…especially shadowlands.
now that they’re on hiatus, i’d imagine this is what we get for the next like year.
not to be negative, but maybe they made these long, unrealistic grinds (like domination sockets) to keep us busy for that time? i seriously wouldn’t put it past these guys at this point
i do think the +20 ports are super cool…i still use my challenger’s path to this day…but other than that, not good 
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I’m much more likely to quit due to never getting drops than I am likely to quit because I got too much loot and got bored. If I finish gearing a character by the end of a season, I’ll just make another character. If I never get loot, I’ll go play another game where I do.
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Feeling the same way. Getting loot to drop for you: Hard. Getting loot that you actually want: Almost impossible.
It really feels like everything hinges on the vault and bad RNG means another week of nothing. I don’t get the mentality of “oh cool I got the gear I want, now I’ll unsub!” Having the cool, fun stuff makes me want to play the game. Not having it means I’m doing what exactly?
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This more just encourages running raids as a consistent group.
Raid drops rates are pretty similar to most of WoWs life (1 item per 5), but the real benefit is being in a constant group for trading.
Solo pugging is going to be tougher, and in an MMO I’m not so sure that is a bad thing.
Don’t forget your legendary also takes up another slot so in total 6 pieces are reserved. But you are also forgetting that PvP is also another alternative to gear for PvE even with its reduced ilvl that allows you to target specific slots like weapons and trinkets.
Are you sure its not rewarding because its just the same dungeons you are doing all over again?
Personally… I’d rather just not do a dungeon right now then do it 10 times for a loot. Already did it 50+ times already.
The raid stuff is nice, but you cant upgrade it. Also its on a weekly timer.
The Anima you receive should be substantially more and more things you can buy with it if you just spent an hour grinding out a dungeon only to end it with no gear.
But to echo what others are saying. I would be much happier getting a ton of the same pieces than the current setup. At least that would feel like there’s the chance Im going to get what im after. Right now it feel hopeless looting a chest only to get nothing for 7 dungeons straight, because you know when you get a piece, its going to be the 1 thing you didnt need.
You have upgraded 10/16 gear slots with 9.1 gear. I’m not sure what you are complaining about. So far you have completed 32 total keys, timed and depleted, so I would say loot is rewarding and you are getting drops.
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This is a good point in WoW’s time to try out other games imo
FF has an insanely fanatical weeb cult white knighting it which turns me off immensely, but New World is coming out, that looks kinda promising.
Yeah the FF cult has made me unsub that game too. Played the new world beta… its really fun… but also kinda bare bones… with more variety in all aspect of that game itll be really really good.
Yeah, I feel like NW’s content will be the process of leveling to 60. At 60, there isn’t much to do other than maxing out your tradeskills, doing a few dungeons and PvPing.
I agree. 10+ mythic dungeon loot is higher ilvl than heroic SoD Domination gear. While I very much like the ilvl loot in M+ to make my character more powerful, I scratch my head, Domination gear doesn’t seem worth it at this point into 9.1.
This categorically false. Dungeon loot is lower ilvl than heroic raid loot no matter the key. Vault rewards are higher at +11 and above, but lower than mythic raid loot until +15, and always lower than mythic raid last two bosses.
Know this feeling. I’ve been trying to get the legendary memory on my MM Hunter in Plaguefall since the start of the xpack. Over 70 runs later (edit: combined on normal + heroic ) and various mythic difficulties - and still nothing. I’ve only had 1 weapon drop this entire xpack for both my Shaman and Hunter as well with 100’s of M+ runs and raid clears too.
I even wrote into Blizz and asked if I was somehow bugged from getting the MM leggo item but they said you’re just unlucky, all the best. Oh well might as well let the sub expire at this point and go back to EVE Online. Which is funny because CCP actually listen to their player base and are fixing the same ‘scarcity’ or Ore issues they introduced not too long ago. Wish Blizz would do the same but at this point I doubt they even read these forums.
The last two Heroic SOD bosses drop 246 ilvl gear and doesn’t mean your guaranteed domination piece but rather a shard from Sylvanas, prior bosses it’s 239 ilvl. I have 246 ilvl on my main from M+ runs. So if my character is decked out in 246 gear from running M+, it’s much higher than heroic SOD overall.
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End of dungeon drops, yes. However, M+ loot is upgradable to 246 while raid loot is stuck where it’s at.
Post on your hunter, your story sounds extremely exaggerated and hard to believe.
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After 38 boss kills this week (Two full runs of normal and 8/6/4 heroic on main/alts) I’ve gotten a whopping 2 drops. One of which I traded away and the other being a useless neck on my hunter as it’s got the wrong stats.
I was lucky enough to get a chest piece from vault this past week, but boy am I ready to quit. If this week is similar I’m probably throwing in the towel.
I have to say the loot in this Xpac vs. the last two has been very underwhelming. And I’m not alone. The friends I’ve played with for years are saying the same thing. I’ve went several weeks getting the same slot over and over from the vault. Right now I’m on week 3 of getting rings. I got pants for a loooong run in S1. Yes I know it’s all RNG, but it’s so blatantly unfulfilling and it gets mentioned over and over in these forums that something is off. Either they need to put in some protection to at least make the drops be more random (don’t get the same item slot as last time) or introduce tokens as they did in Legion for a bonus roll.
You run like 1 key a week and +6/7 at that. You shouldn’t really be expecting loot when you don’t really play the game.