So with recent events there are now two known griefers that are habitually trying to wipe tons of hardcore players and raids. One is on TW servers and one is on US. I genuinely think in cases like these where the griefer literally states they are going to come back again and again to grief until the guild quits the game restorations should be considered. Because what happens is these griefers will just buy accounts from people who quit the game when they hit 60 and just kill people over and over again. Letting this happen does nothing to help, as a matter of fact it just causes a high turnover rate of players because there is barely any counterplay against this behavior. The best way to stop this is to just restore characters, it ruins any sense of satisfaction these habitual griefers have. I’m not saying that character restoration is something that should become a common thing, far from it. I simply believe that when niche clear cut cases like what has occurred in the past few weeks happen that the best way to cut the problem out at the source is to simply make sure their efforts to ruin people’s time is wasted.
Absolutely no way. Its called hardcore for a reason. Prior to real HC servers, we played with the addon and semi-self-governed our hardcore experience, and it was anything but hardcore. The vast majority of players who claimed to celebrate R2R and other HC victories had died and abused a system of appeals and forgiveness for deaths that was liberally used for this in-crowd, their friends, and streamers. Regular players were never allowed an appeal and truly played hardcore.
I’m against anything that infects Hardcore with characters that have died, for any reason.
Reviving people isn’t going to happen.
However today on-stream he said he is planning “Judgement Day 3.0”
Watch his stream 4 minutes in today (2/19/2024) and you will hear him talk about his plans. It seems his only regret is that he didn’t kill more characters
@Blizzard, are you paying attention?
Edit:
Oh hah, I see Blizzard banned him! Haha nice!
A ban doesn’t stop them that is the problem. It just emboldens them to buy more accounts to do it over and over again quite frankly.
Yeah true. I wonder how long it takes for him to get an account going again. I guess we’ll find out
If you allow them to restore dead characters you open up a massive can of worms and now it’s on Blizzard to decide who is restorable from a grief and who isn’t.
The rules are simple as is, if your health reaches zero, you’re dead. Just like real life, you can’t have someone restore your life if you were griefed by the crazy dude who was driving the wrong way on the freeway.
They restored their characters.
Hardcore is no longer Hardcore…
Deleting my hardcore characters.
source? If they did thats a positive thing.
I dont care what hardcore means. Griefers like these want attention which they get but on top of that they will do it over and over again if what they do is destructive.
If they got chars restored thats a win for everybody as griefers wont care as much.
proof?
That’s my thought process. My reasoning is that only like one restoration after a grief would need to be done as once griefers realize that their efforts are in vain there is no point in even trying.
you mean your precious flask of petri didn’t save you? 
you die, you die
If they restored their characters, there would be a riot. So many people would complain that they got wrongful deaths and deserve restoration.
Is there any chance he has other moles planted in HC Elite?
Not to sound heartless, but y’all knew the deal going in, it’s hardcore. Death is final. Yes it wastes your time and effort, that’s why I don’t play it. But you do you, just remember those trolls will keep coming to have fun by ruining yours, because 'murica. “if you’re afraid you’ll have to overlook it, besides, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it”
No way. Why should only known streamers get their characters restored?
A death is a death!
In EU a “known” griefer kills off toons in SW. He kills bankalts and lowbies … should they also have restore?
I wrote “known” because neither him nor his victims are stremers, so we just talk of hin in-game.
a riot from people who actually play on the server or people who got to level 6 and died in the kobold caves and never played again? Maybe that’s a bit blunt but I have to wonder sometimes.
You have a very incorrect assessment of the actual players of the guild. There are only a select few that have streams in the griefed guild and those that were streaming had viewer count ranging in double digits if that. All the “known streamers” are now playing season of discovery.
He doesn’t need a mole, he just needs someone willing to sell him their 60 character. Which isn’t as rare as one would think.
Hardcore deaths aren’t limited to “fair” reasons. You disconnect, you crash, your toddler runs up and pulls the plug on your computer, mobs bug out and aggro through the ceiling, etc.
If an exception is made for well-known raiders being griefed, wouldn’t that open the floodgates for hundreds of players to contest their own “unfair” deaths from mundane reasons? Would raids designate someone to “grief” if a pull is going poorly? It’s bad enough with petrification flasks; what if sacrificing one account of 40 allows for 39 resurrections? Given that a tiny % of players raid, you’re essentially breaking the core rule of the server for an elite few. You’d also put an asterix on all of that guild’s achievements.
On the other hand, raiding requires trusting 20 or 40 people, and griefer infiltrations could really stall that activity entirely. I don’t know how many people level for a raiding aspiration, but it could dampen server enthusiasm. It could also be bad PR for the server type in general.
As one of the people who died during the grief I appreciate you writing this up and agree with all of your points. Thank you.
I can confirm characters have not been restored.
They won’t, but I legitimately wouldn’t be mad if they did.
I also heard he got himself another account up and running though and that’s the problem. Personally I’m vindictive and spiteful so if I was at Blizzard I would be advocating to identify what account he was playing on and flag his account…which would immediately close his account as soon as he dinged 60.
That’s a tall order in multiple ways; one being Blizzard being able to verify which account he is on, and secondly Blizzard willing to take a stand against him and his antics.
But it’s fun to dream.
Again, I’m not delusional in thinking that they will; they won’t, but I would say if they did the rationale would be to snub Tinyviolin, not to help out the players. You’d also be sending a bit of a message to anyone else looking to be copycats for their 15 minutes of fame.
This is why his antics suck; the first time he did it was subjectively funny. Some dude played with them for like all of HC and grinded through all the content with them JUST TO WIPE THEM AT THE END. It’s absolutely psychotic, but there is some level of appreciation to the dedication. He got himself the 5th horseman title and became infamous for it.
Doing it again though on a bought account? It’s a low bar; anyone can do what he did and now he’s just doing it to rile people up and anyone can easily duplicate it if they want. If it starts to snowball it could really hurt the HC scene.
The obvious weakness of the griefers is they have to stream it, so there is player counter play.
Just monitor his stream. If he turns it on and is in your raid petri/hearth immediately and gkick him.