Tanking so far in SoD is not tanking… its just DPSing with a threat buff. The fantasy of a tank is of one that is wearing a shield. With the limited talents, going full prot means you wont be able to get Consecration in the holy tree. On the other side of the coin if you go 11 points into holy to get consecration, then you would be 1 talent shy of getting Blessing of Sanctuary. It just feels bad since consecration and Blessing of Sanctuary are staples to paladin tanking. Since you can’t have both the optimal way to play a tank is by going ret. I feel like consecration should be standard for all paladins or at least swapped out for a talent inside the prot tree. The runes so far have been interesting, for ret, but where are the runes that make a protection/shield/tanking viable? Thank you for the taunt rune that no one uses since taunt isn’t needed for 99% of boss fights and never used in dungeons. Thoughts?
Consecrate should have been in place of Kings, and Kings should have been a learned spell.
We pointed this out repeatedly before SoD P1 even launched… that Consecrate was the gating threshold behind 5man viability, but not having Consecrate was the gating threshold behind raiding viability… forcing Paladin tanks to only be viable for some content unless they respec’d every raid.
All specs on paladin should be able to tank.
I hate the modern WoW design for tanks and healers. Having an entire spec dedicated mainly to defensive talents/abilities is dumb.
Paladin would be very strong with this change but I wouldn’t complain >:)
Well thats why they call it a specialization. I do understand what you mean. But in modern you are pruned of many abilities to where you are playing a spec not the class. In classic there is no pruning so you still have the capability to do what everyone else does. In classic if you go into your specialization youre supposed to be good at what that spec was design for. ATM you dont even touch protection tree. You just go full ret because ZUG ZUG. Leave that to the warriors.
i am all for not being viable for everything. Its the classic way. But why in the hell are tanks just a DPS you know what i mean?? It completely ruins the idea of being a tank and masting a craft not many do and being known for your ability as a good tank. Class fantasy is just gone atm
But whos to say protection warrior couldnt be like the gladiator (or whatever) spec. A dps class that utilizes a shield and heavy armor.
Holy Paladin is pretty well designed in this regard. Because they have Holy Shock. An ability that can be used to heal OR deal damage
But now in SoD they are introducing a bunch of abilities that ONLY heal, or are only for tanks.
Season of Discovery is supposed to be about playing classes in a different way, the fact that tanking as a paladin is inherently different in SoD than every other iteration of the game means that it is working as intended.
I agree, nerf paladins.
[very old meme of a dorf Ret-Paladin with a Sulfuras hitting a sadface Orc Warlock for 2 damage with Consecration]
1 of the tank runes should just give also access to concecration, period.
I completely agree and seems like an obvious solution. Hand of Reckoning should have consecration baked in
It’s not tanking. Its dpsing harder. That’s not class fantasy. SoD is mostly about making classes/specs viable. Making Retribution the tanking spec with a 2-handed weapon is not a tank and poor class design
That would be nice but use divine storm , exo, taunt you can aggro up 6 at once then judge the 7th and just switch targs doing holy damage and using divine storm on cd. Conscrate would be way nicer but its doable with shield and sword especially with the exo cooldown reset with art of war its really good single targ threat.
ohhhh so thats why tank paladins spec down holy for consecrate? good sense
no, SoD is about experimenting and having fun with the old classes in a new and interesting way.
it’s just an experiment to allow people to try to have fun with the spec in a new way.