Started a pally and am quite enjoying her. I am just confused on some things while leveling. I fully intend on healing when I hit 60. I’ve read a lot on icy veins about the best spec to level with is Ret. The best race is dwarf and the best profession is engineering.
First thing, do guilds/raids really really care about the pally being dwarf or is being human okay?
Second, do I have to have engineering or is another profession okay? Is engineering THAT useful?
Third, I want to heal dungeons as I level. Keep in touch with healing, so to speak. How do I deal with drops? I will be soloing ret, wearing mail, etc. But, if I am healing a dungeon, can I go for anything healing that drops? Or will I be a *itch taking year from clothies or leatherwearers?
Two sets of gear?
When is a good time to switch over to a healing spec full time?cup
If you join the group as a healer, then you roll need on healer gear that drops. If dps/ret stuff drops, you make sure nobody else in group needs and then ask if it is ok for you to roll on the item. Always respect the roll you joined as and you shouldnt have any loot drama.
for loot - roll on what you’re doing in the dungeon as a best practice - you might ask up front if you can roll on ret gear as a courtesy ---- going as a healer and rolling dps gear will probably make people salty
I leveled as holy the entire way - it was fine. I did alot of dungeons. I have 4 other IRL friends i play with, so our group was “set”.
Ret will be slightly faster though if you’re gonna be solo most of the time. You can always just get socommand at lvl 20, then go holy the rest of the way as well.
The biggest difficulty you will have is that a large amount of people playing DPS classes don’t view pallies as a true DPS and get salty when they win gear even if they join as a ret pally DPS. Keep this in mind when you start farming your pre BiS gear. As a healer you won’t have any issues though
If you are the active healer, roll need on all healing gear. Just fyi though there aren’t many levelers running dungeons now so ret gear is probably a better choice.
From what i remember About pallies, Dwarf has stone form which clears bleed. Which is better as a healer than say +5 sword/mace skill.
Engineering is BiS PvP and allows pallies to do reasonable DPS (bombs give decent AoE damage)
As you level you wear 2 sets of gear (one for damage and one for healing) But when you hit 60 its kind of whatever.
For specs as long as you have 5/5 Illumination everything else is your choice I was a fan of 33/11/7 and 31/7/13 for PvP based on if i wanted BoK or 2/2 PoJ and was heal focused. If i wanted to bring burst damage i would roll Reckoning because free autos are fun
honestly, I think its ok to swap to full healing when you start doing instances like Strat/Scholo but you can easily hit 60 being 30 ret or going prot with a shield spike and aoe grinding mobs Its all personal choice really
You roll need when it’s an upgrade for you, regardless of role.
Don’t let others impose their own rules on you.
People who play only one role, and can only play one role, never have to make these considerations. They just roll when it’s an upgrade, and you should do the same.
Yes, you will end up with two sets of gear, one for healing, and one for DPS, but you also need to do two sets of gear because you are a hybrid spec. You don’t heal much outside an instance, but you also don’t do much damage when healing an instance, so you need two pieces of gear for two conditions.
Some people will disagree, yes, and some people will get salty, but they are honestly the minority and impossible to please. Consider the mentality you are up against:
In other words, some people feel you should never have gear, even for the role you signed up as, based on their own assumptions about a ret paladin. You are honestly best just ignoring them rather than trying to please every player out there.
Feel free to look up ‘modern instance group’ by moronicminds on youtube to see what I’m talking about.
If the group truly wanted something reserved, then they state that something is reserved. If you roll need on something, and nothing was reserved, remind them that nothing was reserved when you sign up.
Two more tips:
-Be the last to roll. If everyone else, including the healer, rolled greed, and it’s an upgrade for you, roll need. If it was an upgrade for the healer, the healer should have rolled need
-If you aren’t the healer, the healer will mostly likely be a priest, which can’t wear leather or plate, same goes for mages and warlocks, so any healing or int gear that drops which is leather or plate, roll need because the priest can’t use it, and if all the casters are clothies, then roll need on any non-cloth DPS gear that;s an upgrade, because they can’t wear it either!
In short, avoid groups that reserve, if you play DPS, try to minimize the amount of clothies in the group, and be the last the roll, and roll need, to see if everyone else already rolled greed. Nevertheless, always roll need when it’s an upgrade for you unless it was specifically reserved.
which is why i said what i did. for a healing spec anything after Illumination is not needed. And rolling 30 in ret or as a prot will be better.
If he can guarantee constant groups for the pre raid 60 dungeons its pretty effective to reroll healer @ 58-59 otherwise not to worry and level as what he wants
Other than a couple specific bosses there is almost no poison. So for PvE human paladin is fine.
It is inexcusable if you’re gonna PvP. Spirit racial does nothing for paladin, and perception is very weak in vanila because there are so many other ways to increase ur stealth detect. (u can change teh files in ur game to show a different model, i prob shoulda been female dwarf cuz it can jump through more stuff in WSG, then morphed myself so i looked like a male on my screen)
If you are healing the instance, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE PRE BIS, leveling only, you get to roll on both heal and DPS gear. If people don’t like that they can find another healer. They aren’t gonna kill mobs for you out in the world don’t let them guilt you. Only time you have to pass is for legit pre bis that you don’t need to finish off your level.
You will need to switch to heals ~ BRD. You will already be a lowbie going in there and trying to heal as ret with no mana efficiency will piss everyone notices off. But you could get it done with pots pretty easily as ret. The constant drinking will give you away at about BRD
Who told you dwarf is the preferred race for paladin? It doesn’t really matter what race you are (unless you’re planning to meme as ret or prot, I guess), but the mace/sword specialization racial helps while leveling or soloing. Be whatever professions you want (I like to have mining for solo DM:E jump runs, but really whatever suits your play style).
You’re going to be rolling on a lot of cloth and some leather as a healing paladin and that is perfectly legitimate. Some people don’t understand but it’s generally not going to cause drama. Any +healing gear is obviously for the healer, but the one thing I would suggest is that you consider whether the item is more for DPS casters (e.g. it has +SP on it)…if it’s not a significant upgrade for you and is a big upgrade for a caster in your group then consider passing. You can also roll on DPS stuff for your offspec if nobody else needs it.
Yes you will generally have multiple sets of gear as a paladin. One for solo, one for healing, one for tanking (if you want to do any of that…certainly viable in 5 mans). Spec doesn’t really matter that much at lower levels so you can heal, DPS or tank just by switching some items around. Up to you when to switch to holy, but shouldn’t be truly necessary prior to 60.
I would say that really anything others agree to is legit. If you declare that you’re going to roll on DPS and healing gear prior to the instance and people still choose to come with you then that’s fine, but don’t just start needing on DPS gear without declaring that beforehand.