This is a fundamental problem that the authors (eg Golden) have expressed because it reduces Garrosh’s problem from the personal to the ethnic.
To be an Orc is to be a problem now.
To be an Orc wholly means you will be “evil”.
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It’s certainly a problem, or would be unless they ever let us see what Garrosh as a good leader is like in, say, 90% of his other timelines, as we’re told by the Bronze flight. If we ever saw the good parts of the, ‘Orciest Orc,’ then I imagine this would be quite different.
Well no, because that statement of Orciest Orc is Golden’s words from the Thrall panel with both Gregory and Copeland (GOD ON HIGH what a poignant name now) agreeing with her
It’s canon both in-universe and “Author as God”-wise
(Which, on a side note, if 90% of all Timelines had Good Garrosh, and the Shadowlands operates on timeline thread rope crap, you’d think if 90% of the rope is good, Garrosh wouldn’t go to Revendreth or the Maw, but hey)
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This has always confused me. We were told in most Timelines Garrosh was actually a really great leader, but in Shadowlands we don’t see a hint of that in him. It’s weird. You’d think he’d have wound up a Kyrian if he was a great leader in most timelines, serving the Horde as Warchief.
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All the other timelines are of lesser value. In-universe, the main timeline, which we happen to habe been born in, luckily for us, unless we’re Mag’har Orcs, is the only one that matters. The Bronze Dragonflight was meant to protect the main one from tampering. Other timelines are small branches, that occasionally are created and then fizzle out.
Due to the lower status of alternate timelines in-universe, my guess is that the main timeline version of a soul is the one to be judged first, and the alternate timelines merge with it later.
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Depends on how bad the other 10% is, and how it effects the rest.
A bad strain of a bad seed, so to speak.
That is the Garrosh we know. It would be weird to encounter a fair minded Garrosh.
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Not only did Garrosh challenge him, but I believe he was actually winning when stuff happened. Thrall didn’t use his magic in their first throwdown so Garrosh owned him.
As a few of you suggested, maybe there are conflicting messages because humans and orcs have conflicting moralities.
One of the biggest reasons the Horde and Alliance hate each other is that their races live by different moral codes - often ones that the other side either doesn’t understand or perceives as immoral.
Can’t seem to find the video, but all the descriptions I’ve heard on this board say that Thrall did use magic at that time. Can someone confirm?
Magic is forbidden in Mok’Gara.
Yes / No. Depends on occasion. I will steal someone else’s analysis, think too lazy and lack knowledge.
http://kiraser.blogspot.com/2017/05/blog-post_14.html
He does seem to use magic in the first Makgora. Like some lightning attack thingy.
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That seems to be a movie-only thing, and people usually bring up the first Thrall-vs-Garrosh mok’gara as a counterargument. And that definitely looks like lightning at 0:36 in the video above (and several times following).
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The rules of a Mok’Gara are as the combatants establish before they begin. Neither time did they establish magic would be forbidden during combat. So… no, Thrall did not cheat.
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