No wonder why you don’t believe deceit isn’t lying you don’t even read the entire post.
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No, evil is evil. It is not subjective. People who justify evil actions are evil. Villains think themselves heroes, but it does not make them heroes.
Call them “Worgen Younglings” and the answer will be obvious.
I guess it’s good to know that you think the mass immolation of innocent civilians is morally acceptable. It’s a bold position for a paladin to take, but I respect your individuality.
Good and evil are subjective, that’s true.
Which of those do you think the majority of people will place “burning thousands of innocent civilians alive” into?
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I read it.
Saw no reason to respond to it.
No point in talking to someone who won’t even acknowledge a whole sentence if it doesn’t suit their argument.
I responded to the other part of sentence anyways? But keep thinking I didn’t.
The fact you’re trying to cherry pick how I formatted the quote when I responded to everything in the quote is quite hilarious.
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“MWAHAHA STUPID EVIL” of a badly written Saturday morning cartoon villain.
Cannibal, I always like your posts but I kind of hate the use of the word “lies.” We don’t know what was going through the particular person’s mind when they said/wrote these things. Most of the examples seem more like spin, and quite a few could simply be a product of story changes.
I think you could make the point more effectively by just focusing on what we know for sure, which is that all of these examples wound up being misrepresentations.
Once you use the word “lie” it implies a kind of malevolence and shuts conversation down.
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I don’t know, something tells me not even Skeletor would just burn down a tree full of innocents because his feelings were hurt
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Personally, I don’t automatically associate lying with malevolence. I merely equate it with intent. For me, a lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead or deceive regardless of motive.
At the very least, the Garrosh example is a lie by my estimations. They came out and said they had intended Garrosh to be villainous for quite some time in direct contrast to earlier interviews attempting to assuage Horde players’ fears of the villain bat.
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These quotes have been called spin, deceit, evasion, misleading, misdirection… All of those I, and apparently the thesaurus consider synonyms of lying.
Let’s take one example.
This quote, from Blizzard, indicates they had plans for Garrosh to become a villain, maybe since his inception within WoW. At the very least, it indicates he was always built up to be a villain. This directly contradicts this:
A quote from Kisirani on the future of Garrosh’s story. These two quotes don’t match. In one, Garrosh was always built up to be a villain. In fact, he’s their chosen, prime example of a character built up to be a villain. And yet, we were told:
It doesn’t match up. Both of these can’t be true at the same time.
As I said in the OP, they either lied about Garrosh’s future plans, or Blizzard’s individual writers, community representatives and numerous other employees simply never communicate about the direction of their narrative, which has been squashed numerous times by Blizzard themselves. So they’re either lying about their character’s direction, or they’re incredibly, unbelievably disorganized, and lying to us about that instead.
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No.
I said “Show me the lies”.
You didn’t.
I said, “All I see is comments that are misleading, but only if you don’t pay attention to them or realize that some things are subjective.”
Let me phrase that another way, “As I see it they didn’t really lie to you. You clung to one possible interpretation of their comments and declared it The Truth™.”
You didn’t directly respond to that either.
You pretty much just said that I don’t know what a lie is and they are lying liars who lie because you had high hopes and were disappointed.
Being disappointed is not the same as being lied to.
Nothing they said is actually untrue.
The conclusions you drew from their statements were wrong. Even if they intended for you to draw those conclusions, they did not actually lie. Those comments contain no promises about what would happen only what might happen.
Make a thread called “Things Blizzard Said That Implied Stuff That Didn’t End Up Happening” and I haven’t got a thing to complain about.
This thread is a lie.
That all seems rather pedantic.
If Blizzard deliberately worded things to give players the wrong conclusion, especially if this wrong conclusion was a preferred one, I don’t think the distinction matters.
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I could agree with most of your post but this turns it on its head.
While I can agree, much of this is bad language usage by Blizzard and wishful understanding by Fans… combined…
To say they never lied is a bit White Knight
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I dont know how to quote the OP and all in a pretty format, but I will do my best:
To put it quite literally - that is a lie.
By addressing “you” in various ways - they are clearly being disingenuous and false.
You would have to accept their usage of “you” as a singular person who felt all those things they listed… And only Blizzard’s false narrative applied.
Myself, I “certainly” never would qualify as one who “may find” Garrosh is at all good. I simply Mained Alliance when Garrosh became Warchief. From late Wrath til the end of MoP, I ignored the Horde and played Alliance.
Garrosh was the racist scum we all knew he was. They lied.
The use of what “you” might find is chained on contradictory qualifications of what “you” might believe.
One of Websters definition for lie:
2 to create a false or misleading impression
So, these definatly seem to fit the definition of a lie.
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mislead
- cause (someone) to have a wrong idea or impression about someone or something.
- synonyms: deceive, delude, take in, lie to;
It’s why I find this so odd. A lot of people’s arguments here say it isn’t lying, but instead a synonym of lying.
Sort of takes away from the fact that whatever variation of the word you want to call it, Blizzard has either intentionally misled the playerbase and seems about ready to do it again, or they have no internal communication about their storyline and are misleading us about that instead.
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Exactly. To sidestep the issue with arguements of semantics actually does nothing to subtract from the fact that Blizz intended to do the same as lie. No matter which actual word is chosen.
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