What death camps are you referring to? The only camps I remember were the alliance-led slavery camps.
Not saying you’re wrong, I just must have missed this happening.
looks at Hillsbrad where the Forsaken were planting ‘human seeds’ and basically functioned as a death camp
Is that what that was? I never really understood what the ‘human seeds’ were about. Assumed it was something like cloning. >_> But yeah, the forsaken do a lot of messed up things, that’s fair.
I mean, there is really only one way to make a living person into an undead. I think that even if the normally shady Loa of Death doesn’t even approve of a group, it’s pretty dang telling.
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Well yeah but I just didn’t understand what the human seed thing was, I thought they were like, doing some kind of experiment to clone or make people themselves.
But then we get into the whole morality of cloning/making artificial people and I’m way too tired to pick that apart. It’s messed up either way.
but whats the point in that?
the conflict was started by the horde. why force a surrender from a people that weren’t at war with you?
the real reason starts with the letter g and is also the canon result of the war of thorns, and really the only tangible reason i can see for the war in the first place.
but saurfang’s a hero because his flimsy honor got yelled at after he helped commit said… yknow. he got so sad that he ran away and let armies that would’ve listened to him just… butcher and savage.
what a hero.
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I was under the impression the whole War of Thorns was designed to shut down the Alliance funneling Azerite through Teldrassil to get to the EK. In that regard it makes total sense what was done, you don’t want a powerful weapon like that getting into enemy hands. The original goal was to force a surrender and hold Teldrassil hostage to prevent the Alliance from taking action. Sylvanas went rogue and burned down the tree and it all went downhill from there.
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Regardless of the stated outcome, Sylvanas’ ultimate goal was to commit a genocide, though, right?
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The Horde, personally, would be so much more enjoyable as a faction if they were a struggling-to-direct-things destructive force that was just always pointed towards the various ghoulies and monsters threatening Azeroth (that place they live on) rather than the other group of people (that also live on Azeroth) that are also fighting said ghoulies and monsters.
like come on where’s the tauren/night elf camaraderie? dwarves and orcs trying to one-up each other Legolas/Gimli style in battle? worgen and Forsaken being like “yeah dude being kind of monstrous now and not the humans we used to be is wack but we’re doing it”?
god
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Huh. It seems the one I was actually thinking about was (wisely) removed from the game. Originally Belmont was ordering refugees to the chopping block when he was confronted by Tyrande.
But yes, there’s also the Sludge Fields. How you could mistake the “Human Seedlings” for anything other than what they were is… a little boggling, gotta say.
The original goal of the War of Thorns was to make the kaldorei defunct as a people in order to weaken the Alliance to the point that the Horde could destroy them once and for all.
“This battle was not about a piece of land. Even Saurfang knew that. Taking the World Tree was a way to inflict a wound that could never heal. Losing their homes and their leaders would have ended the kaldorei as a nation, if not a people. Even the loss of one leader would have been enough to create a tide of despair. The wounds of this battle would have bled, festered, decayed, and rotted the Alliance from the inside out. Anduin Wrynn would have lashed out in a final, desperate war, looking for a miracle, because only a miracle would save them.”
- A Good War
The War of Thorns was genocidal from the get-go.
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At time of writing it does seem like she lied to the horde about her true reasons, which were that she just wanted to kill as many people as possible in the war of thorns, yes.
Because apparently that would empower the maw, I think?
This could end up changing because even now I find her reasons for doing anything to be frustratingly vague. What does it even mean to “Kill Hope”? Is she going to go to pandaria and choke that crane spirit?
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the time of chi-ji is over
Sylvanas is going to go find another bell to drop on Anduin.
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Re-reading A Good War and casually browsing wowpedia, I’m not sure Sylvanas ever actually lied to the Horde. I mean, yeah, she never mentioned the whole Death God thing.
But she’s pretty upfront about wanting to destroy the Alliance and kill everyone in Stormwind, and the Horde’s just kinda like… “yeah, cool, sounds fun”.
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can confirm
was cool
was fun
would like a bg about it
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Someone has to keep all those SFM artists employed.
Is A Good War the same story where all the Horde soldiers there cheer as they watch the fire and get the shamans to fan the flames and stuff?
One thing that rarely gets brought up when discussing the War of Thorns is that we don’t, to my knowledge, get any scenes of the Horde soldiers that participated in it being like, press-ganged, or wanting to go home but being forced to stay because of Honor, or whatever. Like, as far as we know, Sylvanas asked them if they all wanted to go gallivanting across the continent and they all instantly said yes.
I’m not convinced of the idea that there was this gigantic, popular sentiment for rebellion within the Horde because, as far as I can tell, only literally Saurfang and Forced Meme–I mean Zappy Boi felt even a little bad about what happened.
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I love reading the WoW books and short stories and what have you, but this right here is why I don’t like that you can’t get the whole story inside the game. The impression that I got, from playing through the game was that the whole point of taking Teldrassil was cutting off the azerite supply for the Alliance. We don’t get to see Forsaken in Astranaar killing off civilians after the Horde takes the town unless you play the Alliance side. Sylvanas deciding to burn Teldrassil looks like it happened because she had a temper tantrum when Delaryn Summermoon tells her she can’t kill hope.
I feel like there’d be less of a content drought if they made all this stuff into quests in the game instead of us having to read it elsewhere to get the full story.
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The absolute best part of this particular genocide is that none of it matters anymore because BFA ended and lol azerite.
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it also executes any chances at a nelf storyline cause the, uh, genocide of their people needs to be addressed. and they can’t do that without addressing the horse’s role in it. so, yeah, that’s fun.
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None of this will ever be addressed because Teldrassil was a plot device.
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