As for the topic, I guess it’s only half-IC, but it kind of bothers me that people work so hard to try to explain why goblins are numerous when “they’re always dying”, while completely overlooking the high death rates/smaller population numbers/post-genocide situations for basically half of all Warcraft races. Just feels weird to handwave every other race’s population numbers but then get hung up on goblins.
That line about rabbits is taken out of context, by the way. It’s a sarcastic line made by an angry gnome. It’s not an actual explanation for goblin populations.
What they did was out of fear of a very probably scenario; losing access to the Sunwell again. Considering Alleria just breathing near it caused issues, the ren’dorei’s concepts - while a threat themselves - hold true. With how much fel/shadow/ect ect are floating around in our military/societies now - especially within the Horde, it’s pretty much a ticking time bomb as to when something’s going to happen again.
The sin’dorei’s reliance on the Sunwell is a threat to Quel’thalas itself, more so than some Thalassians not supporting the current political choice to be allied with the Horde.
It’s likely not all the ren’dorei fully support working with the Alliance, they sort of had nowhere else to go, and Alleria assisting them is a lot bigger than most people realize. Alleria is a national hero and highly revered/respected. (…despite my personal belief they should have just holed up with the Forsaken. The void elves scream Horde race more than modern blood elves.)
i don’t get why people think that holding a rank in the military makes you able to just
order around civilians or people lower ranking than you in a public situation. you’re at a bar and you think being checks your new made up title sergeant captain commander means people gotta listen to what you want? aye bro, ok…
It’s bad shoehorn storytelling on Blizzard’s part. They shoulda joined the Forsaken, they would have been welcomed. But the Blue Team just had to have their High Elf fantasy. So while their initial intentions may not have been treasonous, where they ended up still brands them as traitors. I can see why some folks would hold this pov ic.
That the Night Elves started the conflict with the orcs during the events of Warcraft III, and every conflict between the two since is all the Nelves fault.
Hordies rolled up into Ashenvale armed to the teeth and started free-loading. It’s common sense the Nelves would react they way they did.
Do…people actual do that? I don’t think I’ve encountered it, so that seems outlandish to me. I mean, don’t get me wrong, given the circumstances of the intro scenario there wouldn’t be a lot of the original Bilgewater Cartel remaining, but they weren’t, like, the only goblins in existence, and the name itself implies that they’re structured like some kind of business conglomerate. They could very well have just poached members from other cartels.
Regardless, you are correct, especially when it comes to population numbers Blizzard is very bad at math. Of the non-allied Horde races only Blood Elves and Forsaken should have been able to have enough people to actually form a sizable military.
Don’t get me wrong, I think that players are definitely “supposed to” think that. I don’t think Blizzard is naive to the effect their coding of the Horde would have on players’ perception of them, even if that coding is based in shallow stereotype more than anything.
But they also like to do this thing where they try to present two contradictory facts about the world as both simultaneously true. The Horde is both a band of oppressed outcasts who are forced to come together for survival and a strong contender for the greatest military power in the world. The Horde want to be left alone and unthreatened to discover and develop their cultural identity and go gallivanting off to conquer their neighbors whenever one of their leaders tells them how much fun it would be. The Horde cares about honor and upholding it at all costs and they do stuff like use their prisoners for target practice.
We can’t really trust Blizzard’s definition of what the Horde is or is not, weirdly, but I can’t help but feel like a person living in Azeroth would pick up on the contradiction there, and not the fact that Horde races are supposed to evoke real-life minorities.
Yeah, it’s really bonkers to me how common this viewpoint is.
If I rolled up to the Canadian border with a bunch of Blackwater soldiers at my back and started indiscriminately deforesting while wearing a “I Hate Canada” t-shirt, everyone would tell me I deserved what I got.
Now that I think about it, that might also explain the reasoning behind the other common character mindset I mentioned.
Afterall, what is your usual D&D player character but someone (often of rare pedigree) who has enough gold to purchase a kingdom, enough rare magical baubles to put the royal collection to shame- yet still insists on living off rations and sleeping in the woods as they travel from town to town in search of odd jobs?
The idea that Stormwind is some sort of totalitarian surveillance state with strict lèse-majesté laws has always been funny to me, especially now that Anduin’s in charge. Sorry, but I can’t imagine The Goodest Boy having someone disappeared for saying something mean about him.
They keep treating it like this fresh, groundbreaking idea no one has done before with a huge opportunity for growth like they’re the only one to think of it.
