Combined sub only

11/01/2018 05:58 PMPosted by Studmuffyn
Right it isn't free you have to pay a sub to play if it combined, and if its a combined WoW sub, how do you determine which is 'free'?

Thing is the reverse is also true, Retail would 'free' to any Classic only players, and really it makes ZERO difference, the point is to have to pay something, people are just so scared of the 'retail' players and thinks that they all are just chomping at the bit to ruin it for the classic only crowd, when they will be by far the smallest group of any of the players.
It's one aspect of it yes. And as the forums have proven a single troll can have a significant impact. Imagine hundreds if not thousands of bored or frustrated BfA players with nothing better to do than to try and ruin Classic. You really think that won't affect the game?

But Blizzard is a business. Why give players two games for the price of one? Instead you have two separate subs, and a third option with a discount. Players think they're getting a good deal. This is the route I hope they go. It's best for the players, best for the game, and best for Blizzard.
11/01/2018 06:03 PMPosted by Mogar
It's one aspect of it yes. And as the forums have proven a single troll can have a significant impact. Imagine hundreds if not thousands of bored or frustrated BfA players with nothing better to do than to try and ruin Classic. You really think that won't affect the game?


Spread out over 100 servers? No, and you are way overgeneralizing, there is not some massive subset of 'BfA' players just waiting to ruin it for you. Like I said, they are not the group I would worry about, I would worry about the 95 million former player pool over whatever number is currently playing and from which not many would even bother playing, and the ones who have spent years saying how much they hate the idea of Classic for sure won't waste their HS space or time on it.

Wait one troll you think makes a difference on the forums? easily dealt with there, don't respond and report.

11/01/2018 06:03 PMPosted by Mogar
But Blizzard is a business. Why give players two games for the price of one? Instead you have two separate subs, and a third option with a discount. Players think they're getting a good deal. This is the route I hope they go. It's best for the players, best for the game, and best for Blizzard.


Why would they combine the subs? To make it easier on them, do i really think they do it that way? Honestly no, I think the model you put out before is a good one, but I don't begin to remotely fear BfA players, but I can understand the concerns you have.
10/30/2018 05:14 AMPosted by Gaiger
Release in June 2019, combined sub only with bfa, combined icon on battle net app, you need to toggle down from bfa to classic to launch game


Ironic when you're looking at classic WoW subscribers be the welfare supply line to keep modern WoW live.
11/01/2018 06:19 PMPosted by Härländ
10/30/2018 05:14 AMPosted by Gaiger
Release in June 2019, combined sub only with bfa, combined icon on battle net app, you need to toggle down from bfa to classic to launch game


Ironic when you're looking at classic WoW subscribers be the welfare supply line to keep modern WoW live.


Well if that was actually true , it would be ok since modern WoW helped pay for Classic to be a thing and did well enough to still be around 15 years later so that they even still think of WoW.
11/01/2018 06:32 PMPosted by Studmuffyn
11/01/2018 06:19 PMPosted by Härländ
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Ironic when you're looking at classic WoW subscribers be the welfare supply line to keep modern WoW live.


Well if that was actually true , it would be ok since modern WoW helped pay for Classic to be a thing and did well enough to still be around 15 years later so that they even still think of WoW.

And Vanilla WoW opened the doors for everything that lead to BfA.
11/01/2018 06:34 PMPosted by Leishaan
11/01/2018 06:32 PMPosted by Studmuffyn
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Well if that was actually true , it would be ok since modern WoW helped pay for Classic to be a thing and did well enough to still be around 15 years later so that they even still think of WoW.

And Vanilla WoW opened the doors for everything that lead to BfA.


Yup and Warcraft Orcs and Humans opened the doors for the universe, and Morhaimes grandma's loan helped Blizzard become a company.
10/30/2018 06:15 AMPosted by Lagspike
Wouldn't you want as many tourists as possible so you can share your love of classic with them?
No
10/30/2018 11:04 AMPosted by Amris
Blizz is going to want a little more monthly revenue for their hard work hosting wow classic and BFA.
$15 for BFA, $5 for classic, $20 for both. $20 is pretty cheap for entertainment.

not gonna happen, $15 for both only, no $5 classic
11/02/2018 02:23 AMPosted by Gaiger
10/30/2018 11:04 AMPosted by Amris
Blizz is going to want a little more monthly revenue for their hard work hosting wow classic and BFA.
$15 for BFA, $5 for classic, $20 for both. $20 is pretty cheap for entertainment.

not gonna happen, $15 for both only, no $5 classic


Agreed, why would Blizzard create a separate, less expensive MMO to bleed their subscriber base to death?
11/02/2018 03:16 AMPosted by Khaldun


Agreed, why would Blizzard create a separate, less expensive MMO to bleed their subscriber base to death?


I dunno. Why would they make a half-assed expansion predicated on 'faction pride' and then $#@! all over half the subscriber base?
10/31/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Hrothknut
10/31/2018 06:37 AMPosted by Vafarre
Over 100 million accounts created by 2014, game launched in 04. If you split the difference, say cut the timeline off at 2010 just before cataclysm (since most people interested in Classic seem to have played within the timeline of the first 3 expansions), 10 million is still a pretty low figure and you could possibly stretch it as high as 50 million people that might be willing to check it out. Even if it's just to login, wander around and take a few strolls down memory lane for a month and uninstall.


I wonder how many of the total # of accounts created were trials or chinese/3rd world gold farmers? Not that it really matters with respect to this argument, but it's something I've always wondered since they spat out that statistic. I wonder the breakdown of where those accounts were made, and how high a level they ever got in the game.

I think they said something like most people quit by level 20 or something like that (way below max level in any event)? If those are the people you are using in your barometer of potential classic interest, you are likely way off the mark. *shrug*


I've always wondered that as well. Unfortunately we don't have those figures, I'm just toying with the numbers we do have. It's a scientific wild @$$ guess (SWAG) at best, sure. But I don't think It's unreasonable to say the potential pool of people that may be interested is higher than many people think. And It's just that, potential pool of interest. Hence the reason I didn't give a concrete 'this is gonna sell 4 million copies day 1!'

Sure, we don't know how many of those accounts were trials of gold farmers. I don't necessarily think the latter would make a difference, I think gold farmers will return unless Blizzard destroys gold value themselves like they did with retail. Trials being capped at 20 obviously does because those who pay for the full game have limited interaction with them and a lot of trials will never buy the full game anyway.

To be fair, the SWAG also doesn't account for anyone playing from Cataclysm forward that might be interested in seeing what all the fuss is about or what they missed. It doesn't account for potential players curious about an oldschool 'real MMO,' people that are intimidated by the 120 level figure and think it better to start small with a 60 cap game - or just leery of jumping into a game that's 7 expansions in because they won't understand any of it.

There are a LOT of unknowns that we can't account for. Blizzard can account for some of what we just don't know, such as trial account figures, banned accounts and gold farmers, and player turn over figures, but even knowing all of that wouldn't paint the full picture. It's still fun to play with what we do know, and ponder what could be if even %5 of those players returned. It would easily blow the '...only 150k from private servers...' estimates out of the water.
Time to make it happen
told you so
11/01/2018 06:03 PMPosted by Mogar
11/01/2018 05:58 PMPosted by Studmuffyn
Right it isn't free you have to pay a sub to play if it combined, and if its a combined WoW sub, how do you determine which is 'free'?

Thing is the reverse is also true, Retail would 'free' to any Classic only players, and really it makes ZERO difference, the point is to have to pay something, people are just so scared of the 'retail' players and thinks that they all are just chomping at the bit to ruin it for the classic only crowd, when they will be by far the smallest group of any of the players.
It's one aspect of it yes. And as the forums have proven a single troll can have a significant impact. Imagine hundreds if not thousands of bored or frustrated BfA players with nothing better to do than to try and ruin Classic. You really think that won't affect the game?

But Blizzard is a business. Why give players two games for the price of one? Instead you have two separate subs, and a third option with a discount. Players think they're getting a good deal. This is the route I hope they go. It's best for the players, best for the game, and best for Blizzard.


Mogar I never thought I'd say this but we agree on something! *tear*
More options would be great, but I'm not sure if I see this happening unfortunately. Retail players all seem to think we want it free as well, which is completely false.
Good thing they already announced subs having access to classic servers, so we can lay that one to rest. Now we play the waiting game.
Dang, you were spot on with this prediction. It might not be June exactly, but Summer 2019, combined sub. Impressive.
11/03/2018 05:42 AMPosted by Nopawsbutton
Good thing they already announced subs having access to classic servers, so we can lay that one to rest. Now we play the waiting game.

same here, cant wait