So how does one do it? I’m horrible at coaching players who are asking all sorts of questions. I normally just tell them like this. “you do you and i’ll adapt.” Is that coaching?
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Coaching is the exact same thing as teaching.
Only difference is 99% of the people who “coach” on WoW give misinformation/biased information and are extremely short tempered/aggressive.
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Yah ive seen some r1s that do viewer “coachings” and well i feel bad for the person they are “coaching” kek
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Because they’re not good.
The “coaches” have 0 concept that everyone learns differently and see things differently, and that not everything is learned on an instant. Just really bad players coaching new players.
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Well stated as adults are not kids when learning and have different learning styles. Preserving self-esteem and patience is key along with practical applications of the teaching/learning.
Also not every R1 or glad or “great” pvper would be a suitable trainer/teacher either.
This is the thing that bothers me the most.
I guarentee you 99% of these supposed coaches got their first glads in SL and think they’re the hottest thing ever when in reality any monkey with its tail cut off and hands tied behind its back, banana dangled infront of them could beat them.
I won’t lie, I coach. I’ve done it for years, but I don’t RMT. Usually it’s all free because I enjoy helping people. And it disgusts me the things I hear from some people who talk to me about what these supposed coaches say/do.
They treat the person like they’re a toddler that needs to be whipped or something. Gives a bad name to the rest of us.
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Honestly, i’ve noticed those that got their first glad in BFA of all xpacs are the ones with the most attitude for whatever reason lol.
Easiest achievements with no actual work put towards it besides grinding out simple games = ego.
It’s why I bash anyone who can’t consistently hit 3k+ every season. Simply aren’t good and should stop thinking they are.
As much as I hate to add any validity to a Dozer post; in order to give some insight: as a first season arena player the most helpful form of advice I got from people came in two different ways.
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Running drills outside of actual arena matches (thank you TheBulk).
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Just queuing games with me, and giving advice on things I could be doing differently, along with sending me some macros, etc. (thank you Fluxy)
However, I think a person’s playstyle is entirely individual and while they can mimic others, just playing the game a way that clicks with you and learning the game in a manner that compliments you while implementing learned game knowledge will probably garner the best results. For instance, I just want to queue into a match and run it–I don’t want to spend 5 minutes running around a pillar, I like to heal but I also like to get involved with the action.
So I don’t think it’s possible to fully coach someone, more just give them pointers and suggest things that they can add to their tool kit to make their own. If that makes sense?
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A good player adapts to any situation. A good coach can do the same thing. If someone clearly plays in a way where they want to just send it down, 2 minute games tops, then the coach should be capable of teaching them in that way without making the person feel like a toddler and screaming like a clown on crack.
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I’ve never personally experienced that. All my btags are really chill and easy to get along with, luckily. Haha
Why r u acting like bfa wouldn’t carry the same sentiment
Can we revisit your thread with 200 or so comments of you berating people when they point out you can cheap into fists?
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I generally think BFA has a bit higher of a skill cap compared to SL, but it’s not a canyon or anything between the two, it’s like a shallow puddle you step over.
And sure, you’ll get the exact same thing. 170+ people saying stupid things, 30 between Dillon & myself actually discussing like human beings! Zug zug.
I just don’t call it coaching. I call It using my superior gear and rock hard head to smash my keyboard until I kill the target
Practicing > Coaching
in BfA season 4, i spent the last half of the season helping new players learn fundamentals to get them between 1.8 and 2k. I played with maybe 5-6 people for a days in a row each and they learned leaps and bounds from where they were just by being patient and telling them what I think they did wrong and how I think they could improve it. Little things and patience really matter to those people who want to get good at pvp. I never accepted any form of payment and I just asked that they pay it forward with other new players or players who were also struggling the next season.
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Pretty much did this in Legion a lot. Used to help healers get their first 2200 and tabards since s4 and didn’t accept any payment of any sort. Just told them to make sure to help others out to the best of your ability so they can reach their goals. Even if they don’t, that’s fine, but atleast trying to teach someone counts as helping and its about the effort/time you put in to ensure they’re moving forward and not staying in the same place. It felt really good seeing someone happy that they’ve achieved a milestone, but even better knowing that they’ve learned something significant along the way and can possibly pass it along to someone else who is struggling.
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Literally just this.
People don’t get that things don’t happen instantly and you just gotta vibe for a while.
And on occasion, sometimes you find the occasional 2k player that is a diamond in the rough. It still is pretty impressive how many 2k players I’ve coached that are BETTER than high glad/low r1 players. They have the fundamental game knowledge, they understand their spec and all that. They just get torn apart by clowns that give misinformation and then they think that everything they’re doing is wrong.
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coaching like several people have been trying to do to dozer to be a better person and player but he just doubles down and making troll posts on classic alts instead of taking the point?
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nah, i’ve seen peeps do hundreds of matches and never get much better
AFTER you get coached on stuff you are just plain oblivious about, then practice starts helping
some peeps see this stuff without coaching, some need someone else to point stuff out
most players just honestly don’t care that much but do want to get better until it turns tedious or they hit the wall where it is becoming unfun or progess is not being made
ton of players just don’t have great response times, or awareness, or they simply never function very well under stress and they never get much better about it
some really bad assumptions from some players that ‘most players are similar to me so they can all do most of what I can do if they practice’
just isn’t true at all