Class/spec discrimination in m+

[Dáddý-area-52]

If they do that they might invite that pevoker instead of the disc priest and out themselves as a hypocrite though.

[Cõdý-area-52]

The problem is not discrimination. It is balancing. Guardian druids are in general, in a worse spot than everyone else. Therefore, it is much more likely your key will be successful with one of the other tank specs of similar IO. I’ve seen bear tanks do well, but it’s a whole lot less common than DK and warrior

[Garrósh-windrunner]

You should have a bear meeting and tell all the bad bears to stop reinforcing negative stereotypes. Unskilled players with a less-than-ideal class just leave a bad taste.

[Wickdwrath-daggerspine]

All your problems could be fixed by running the group or playing with friends/guildies.

[Dragonwe-area-52]

lol true.

i try not to meta stack whenever I have to pug.
but like I had a very bad experience healing a VDH. idk if it was them playing bad or the class but now I’m afraid of bringing in DHs to tank. sometimes it just be what it be

[Hawkness-area-52]

This is very true. It also takes a bit of time for player perspective to shift once a negative aura is attached to a tank (or other spec).

[Slotmachine-sargeras]

@Norgrim-turalyon

Why are you commenting on a part of the game you’ve never played? All I see is you doing 10s and spouting off on what high end players should do.

I did played at that lvl lmao , i have KSM in BFA … typical cringy comment… besides doing high keys just means you have buddies to play with

[Daddyshome-chromaggus]

Is this your first season doing keys or something?

[Zenbéar-area-52]

That is an issue mainly caused by WOW’s faulty M+ key system. If keys were usable in multiple dungeons or all dungeons, this would not be a problem.

[Kiofea-stormrage]

@Boomdom-stormrage

rampant class and spec discrimination in the WoW community.

Say it with me class:
MAKE. YOUR. OWN. GROUP!

[Darby-boulderfist]

LOL. I don’t owe anything to this poorly designed system. That’s culty.

[Seele-barthilas]

Don’t Pug then? Form a group?
I consider my self very casual and I have my own group of friends to do keys

And even if we are about to listing our keys we tend to find the specs we prefer like shadow priests hunter resto/evoker druids and prot war, bears are good tanks but need to communicate with healers for cds pro pala and prot war dh tanks I personally don’t like dk and bears

[Voltaire-yojamba]

Bear tank. Honestly I’m amazed you’ve done anything 20+. Kudos to whoever healed you through it.

[Haahnselokun-akama]

Or. Hear me out. Just remove M+. Bring back table top RPG-style dungeon crawling with interesting lore, cinematics, quest rewards, reputations, etc. I didn’t join WoW 20 years ago to run timed dungeons with debuffs like some kind of glorified e-sport.

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

No one wants to “dungeon crawl” for hours through what is essentially a 5 man raid.

@Haahnselokun-akama

I didn’t join WoW 20 years ago to run timed dungeons with debuffs like some kind of glorified e-sport.

How popular the classic servers are say how popular the idea is xD

And it’s only an “e-sport” if you make it as such.
My friends and guildies raid, run dungeons and what not for fun. We time 20’s because we can and we enjoy the challenge.

Tbh the issue with m+ is people feel the need to try and esports it vs just run it. Then there is the amount of whiny people on here just qqing because they don’t want to put in the effort to learn their class well enough to perform in higher +…
And many number of other things, usually player induced, not even m+ or the dungeons fault.

[Haahnselokun-akama]

LOL. Over 30% of WoW’s player base plays Classic. That represents nearly $5 billion in revenue from players who would not have otherwise subbed. Classic saved WoW by the skin of its teeth.

Additionally, the concept of timed dungeon runs is just…weird. RPGs are not like that. Dungeons shouldn’t be something that are repeated endlessly. They should be an experience. All the time they’ve wasted developing M+ could have been allocated to rebuilding Azeroth incrementally between patch cycles.

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

WRATH classic may have if anything. Previous classic releases have not xD

They were popular for a month or 2 and quickly died off. Were you not here for the major issues they were suffering from because of the amount of servers vs players on them? Most of the player base is on 2 servers which also caused another number of issues.

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

@Haahnselokun-akama

Additionally, the concept of timed dungeon runs is just…weird. RPGs are not like that. Dungeons shouldn’t be something that are repeated endlessly. They should be an experience. All the time they’ve wasted developing M+ could have been allocated to rebuilding Azeroth incrementally between patch cycles.

That doesn’t make sense. It’s a game. And they’ve been apart of the game since mop. You also can’t blame m+ development as the reason for lack of developing resources. Their major patch cycles are just flat too long.

They should have realized long ago they can do content updates without having to update the season. Mid season updates should be done regularly to inject new content into the mix during the droughts.

[Wariya-stormrage (Wariya)]

" This bear thinks he can tank "

[Henceforth-area-52]

@Boomdom-stormrage

The m+ score system has proven to be nothing but a facade, as it has failed to put an end to the rampant class and spec discrimination in the WoW community. Despite have 2860 points, I found myself repeatedly kicked out of 20s m+ groups simply because of a 2600 protection warrior. It is beyond absurd that I have successfully timed 22s in the same dungeon, yet my abilities are immediately disregarded because I am a bear tank. This is not only unfair, but it is a blatant injustice to players who have worked tirelessly to master their roles and contribute to the game. It is time for the WoW community to recognize that skill and performance should always outweigh the narrow-minded biases that have persisted for far too long.
I am left to wonder if the pursuit of meta specs in this community has crossed into the realm of pathology, or if the M+ score system is simply being blatantly disregarded as a player’s true measure of skill. The idea that certain specs are inherently better than others has been reinforced to the point of absurdity, leading to a culture of exclusion and an emphasis on shallow criteria over genuine talent.

The M+ score system was created to level the playing field and promote fair competition, but it has been reduced to nothing more than a tool of exclusion for those who do not fit the narrow mold of what is considered “meta”. This is not only disheartening, but it is an insult to players who have put in the hard work and dedication to master their craft and contribute to the game.

It is time for the WoW community to reexamine its priorities and realize that true skill and talent are not determined by superficial factors, but rather by a player’s dedication, hard work, and expertise. Until we break free from the toxic culture of exclusivity and embrace a truly inclusive environment, we will continue to miss out on the immense potential of this incredible game.

Dear OP,

Most of times, the key owners want to ensure the success of their run.
They will prefer a Warrior tank most of times because currently it is the META. It happens every season.

The most important part is: If you make your own group, you can bring people that you want. Or you can just accept the first healer and the first dps in the queue, without discrimination.

Oh. but you won’t do it, right? You’ll chose carefully those to fill your group because you also want success in your keys.

It is the old saying: Do as I say not as I do.