Classic's success will forever change retail for the better

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

Don’t play those games. So in all honesty it doesn’t really concern me at all. I’m playing WoW. And I’m concerned about the state of the this game. The others mean little to nothing to me

Sure.

And those other games are a huge reason why Blizzard stopped displaying numbers. It would be stupid and idiotic to be the only game displaying your numbers.

Yep. That was around in its first incarnation. Which was doing so bad it was unsustainable and had a mountain of other issues before they axed it. Square had to learn their lesson about MMOs before they rereleased the current FFXIV

And one of those lessons learned was not to display your numbers?

[Orlok-sentinels]

And one of those lessons learned was not to display your numbers?

No. I don’t think that was even in the lesson plan. Most MMOs don’t release numbers unless they are doing really well. If at all.

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

No. I don’t think that was even in the lesson plan. Most MMOs don’t release numbers unless they are doing really well. If at all.

They dont, at all. Yet for some reason its only a big deal if Blizzard doesn’t.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

Sure.

And those other games are a huge reason why Blizzard stopped displaying numbers. It would be stupid and idiotic to be the only game displaying your numbers.

Well if it was still the bastion that some players say that it still is then they wouldn’t have an issue giving us some kind of information as to where we are as a community. To me, keeping us in the dark only seems to be a sign that they don’t want us to think about it. Making it seem like things are as fine as ever. Which personally, I don’t think it is at all.

[Hamstar-draktharon (Hamstar)]

I highly doubt it will be that high maintained. Old School Runescape lost 75% of their players in the first 90 days.

[Beastbashx-area-52 (Beastbashx)]

Pushing money into a product you have little information on, requires as much information as you can get.

I would never list any of your comments as a reason to, or not to invest, as you seem only able to defend blizzard and attack people that don’t allign with your way of thinking.

[Dunkhammer-emerald-dream]

I bet if Vanilla mechanics were used in BfA the fans would riot.

What mechanics? Because im pretty sure that if we saw Mythic Raid mechanics back in Vanilla people would had gone crazy.

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

Well if it was still the bastion that some players say that it still is then they wouldn’t have an issue giving us some kind of information as to where we are as a community. To me, keeping us in the dark only seems to be a sign that they don’t want us to think about it. Making it seem like things are as fine as ever. Which personally, I don’t think it is at all

Or. They realize it would be stupid and idiotic to release numbers in todays age, in a game genre known for being cyclical in their playerbase (this happens in FFXIV and ESO).

All that would happen is when numbers dip due to a content dry period (that will always, regularly happen in any MMO), competitor MMOs will jump on that. “THEIR NUMBERS ARE FALLING, PLAY OUR GAME INSTEAD” (paraphrased).

They aren’t hiding their numbers because they think people are stupid and will think all is well. They are hiding their numbers because its the industry norm. And if they didn’t hide their numbers (because well, a ton of people are stupid), then those numbers would be used against them due to the cyclical nature of MMORPG playerbases.

[Vodkanokers-bladefist]

Lots of flaws, op, but here is the bottom line :

Classic will crash and burn. The game and community have evolved. Think of the original start trek TV series. It still has a fanatical following with a specific demographic. You can still watch it on TV. Is it good by today’s standards? Nope. Welcome to classic.

There will be lots of people poking around in it initially but that will quickly fade. By Christmas it will be down to that fanatical and small few.

Glad you are excited but it will not last.

[Inviscerate-thrall (Inviscerate)]

That is how many people care enough to watch classic… Is that not a metric because you find offence to it?

it’s not a real metric though. People watching something as opposed to playing it are entirely different metrics.

Millions of people watch wrestling, how many of them actually are going to be or want to be wrestlers.

Views don’t equate to overwhelming interest.

Battlefield 5 has 800 viewers, at peak (for people playing) it is has 20,000 people does that mean no one is interested in battlefield?

See the problem?

[Ravenmayne-moon-guard]

Sure, Jan. Keep believing that. Three months from now when the servers are emptier than War Z, I hope you enjoy spending three hours spamming General Chat for tanks that have more than one piece of Fire Resist gear and turning up nothing.

[Zeusgodofsky-thrall (Zeusgodofsky)]

Classic ain’t changeing anything from retail except give Retail WoW BFA bonus money thats it.

[Beastbashx-area-52 (Beastbashx)]

Aren’t you the same person that made the thread a few days ago about the MDI?

About how it is only 3 classes out of all the available in this game?

I even replied to you there, I told you that was bad news for advertisers and investors…

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

If classic does exponentially well they will most likely reintroduce mechanics from the vanilla game back into retail because classic has no inapp purchases such as a character boost,faction change and the most cringe thing of all “store mounts”

Complaining about capitalism, that offers little advantages in a game, is pretty cringe m8.

Players want’s to be rewarded for the time and effort they put into the game and the fact that gear is super rare in vanilla is a massive perk that everyone is excited for. You will be rewarded for the time you put into the game.

That sounds pretty boring, in retail you’re rewarded for the time you put into the game.

If you no life it you’ll be way stronger than someone that plays two hours a week and gets random titanforged lottery item in retail.

So the thought of someone getting a random, 455 boot makes you tremble in your boots. What was that old bit of wisdom about: “Thou Shalt Not Covet”?

I look forward to gear being super rare in the next expansion and for the welfare gear to be greens and blues while high end pvp and pve gear to be epic. One epic from a mythic dungeon sounds good to me. No more random raid quality epics from world quests or other meaningless content run.

Except due to Ilvl differences, basic mythic dungeon gear is sucky? The preliminary way of gearing in this game is still raiding. M+ offers an alternative.

I hope in the next expansion they’ll rotate world quests out every other expansion because two expansions in a row has been really boring and taxing to force yourself to do. I can’t be bothered with boring world quests and think they’ve been a drain on player engagement. The super massive casuals will cry I’m sure but it’s needed for the health of the game.

World Quests are dailies, and they’ve been in the game for ages. I get it, you have a giant galaxy brain and have transcended beyond the need to do quests for gear, gold and resources. Maybe popping your ego would aide the health of this game.

The ONLY people that like the world quest system as it is now are people that play pokemon and never bothered to learn how to play their classes and just want participation trophies because they’ll never form a raid group or do hard content.

You are a digital boomer. What makes your cash more valuable than thiers?

This is my 8th 120 this expansion and I’ve only dinged recently like 3 days ago at most and managed to get normal raid ilvl gear with almost no time investment. The free gear drops need to change. Randomly getting titanforged items feels extremely bad and players have no agency with it.

Congratulations, the dice favored you. It took me 3 weeks to get this character up to 419 ilvl. Not everyone has the same time you do. I love titanforged items, feel incredible when I get one.

All the things that feel bad about retail DO NOT exist in classic. No random AP system that doesn’t reward you for your time invested.

Yeah except you have to grind out everything instead of just one thing! That’s SOOOOO much better.

The same campaign that I did on my alliance dk. The fact that AP requirement has been constantly nerfed makes anyone who played from launch off and on a wasted time investment and it feels really bad. It’s like the dev’s look at a spread sheet when making choices in the game and leave out player enjoyment.

Yeah, nerfing grinds for people who come in to the expansion late, or like playing more than one character sucks. How dare Blizzard make things more convenient for their loyal customer-base?

[Scumßag-kelthuzad]

Were ESO and FFXIV around during TBC and WOTLK?

biiiiiig yikes if thats ur comeback

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

Aren’t you the same person that made the thread a few days ago about the MDI?

About how it is only 3 classes out of all the available in this game?

I even replied to you there, I told you that was bad news for advertisers and investors…

Ok.

And what does that have to do with the propaganda being pushed by the OP?

biiiiiig yikes if thats ur comeback

I mean…you aren’t giving me much to work with here. You aren’t giving really any reasons or points. Just a lot of name calling.

[Beastbashx-area-52 (Beastbashx)]

It isn’t propaganda if you can’t prove it wrong.

Everything you are saying could be considered the same.

The product isn’t out yet.

[Soul-fenris]

I think it’s going to yo-yo, it will be a lot of people playing, then people will go back to retail, then when there isn’t much to do in the new expansion people will go back because they are bored. I am hoping they don’t rely on Classic in this way and always keep putting a lot into the new expansions. But that is my guess how it will go.

[Lyssa-feathermoon]

One good thing about classic is it may succeed in drawing away many of the pos players like this OP from retail.

[Ralanthel-thrall (Ralanthel)]

I do hope for the long term success of Classic, but I honestly beleive that the first few months will see it be EXPLOSIVELY popular, but after about ~6 months, we will see a smaller, dedicated playerbase with a bit of rise and fall where people use it to take a break from retail or go super casually with a Classic toon. At worst, hopefully it stays popular enough to remain. At best, it may influence how future expansions approach features.

Only time will tell.