I am a noob. Yes, I have raided some of Mythic Uldir, but I joined WoW at the end of Legion, I've NEVER played Classic WoW. I've always heard so many people praise it, so I felt like I missed something. I was 4 when Vanilla hit so there was no way for me to really play it because of my young age.
Anyways, I got a virtual ticket for the first time. I was curious about the hype and why it was BETTER. Soon after the demo came out, I realized why. Asmongold was right!
I logged on, and (even though I never played vanilla) I felt at home. I noticed that right off the bat so many people were grouped up together, fighting on Azeroth TOGETHER. I've never seen such hype for the game (and even the slight comments like "What's Mythic Taloc" made me laugh).
The next thing I noticed was the talent tree. It was foreign to me at first, but I liked it. Anyone could put in whatever they want and make some strange build that works well; not the current icy veins, Ravenholdt, or wowhead cookie cutter guide that works best. I understand that back then there was some-what of a cookie cutter build, but even then it still had a lot of variety.
I got grouped up with my friend and we started our hardcore journey to grind for these stupid red bandannas and gnoll paws. It was fun. Even though it took a long time, I did not mind.
I met some people along the way, a couple, who never played vanilla like me. We all decided to go to The Deadmines. We knew there was no dungeon there, but we thought it would be fun, and it was. After lots of deaths and many throwing daggers wasted, we gave up. But no matter! The idea was that we were having fun! I mean that's what I play WoW for.
To get to the point, I think Classic/Vanilla WoW (at least the leveling process) is better than current. In current, you queue up for dungeons and wait, but in Vanilla you need friends to communicate. I also think that the talent system is better, I don't have to change specs, I talent into them. I feel like I have more freedom and that's what wow needs; freedom to explore with purpose and to talent into whatever. Not some dumb Azerite system to try and cover up the missing talents from Legion. I hope this will raise some type of consensus to change wow for the better.
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Right. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
Or youre on the opposite side of the spectrum, like me. and realize why you stay away from private servers, its incredibly slow and boring
You for real? We like all that !@#$ you just said. The harder the journey, the more awesome it feels to complete it.11/02/2018 08:48 PMPosted by ElierraRight. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
11/02/2018 08:48 PMPosted by ElierraRight. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
If it doesn't reset after a peroid I'm fine with it.
11/02/2018 08:48 PMPosted by ElierraRight. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
or after you see the raid mechanics and realize how simple all the old raids really are, they are just tuned hard, number wise
11/02/2018 08:48 PMPosted by ElierraRight. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
While the grind is the fun part at times. While I understand that doing a boss over and over again is not really fun. Its more about spending time with other people and having a good time. My guild feels like a family and i'm really happy and comfortable with them. I usually never get any attention at home so its nice for a change to have other people to talk to.
11/02/2018 08:38 PMPosted by VestamavraAnyone could put in whatever they want and make some strange build that works well; not the current icy veins, Ravenholdt, or wowhead cookie cutter guide that works best.
What you may have missed is that there was a “cookie cutter build”, and many of the sites you mentioned actually started out during this time period. There was always a more proficient path of talents in most cases. It was just a matter of putting the minimum amount of passive talents to get the desired active at the bottom.
As far as grouping it’s good to see that again. The only problem that really requires it though is the time limit to trial, as well as the fact that mobs are only single tap when solo again, so grouping is really the most efficient way to complete quests in the time limit.
I'll just be honest. My big draw to want to play Classic right now even with all of the faults it has is that my character has a definitive BIS end game. There are certain items that are BIS. They do not Titanforge. They do not warforge.
Once I have my tier then I'm good. I'm not sad that it didn't proc a socket and leech. When it drops I know exactly what the stats on it are going to be.
I enjoy having an end point to gear acquisition in wow and just because I get the gear I want doesn't mean I'm done playing.
I can pvp and have fun in that area of the game and still dip my toes into pve or pve soloing which is something I've done and continue to do to this day.
Once I have my tier then I'm good. I'm not sad that it didn't proc a socket and leech. When it drops I know exactly what the stats on it are going to be.
I enjoy having an end point to gear acquisition in wow and just because I get the gear I want doesn't mean I'm done playing.
I can pvp and have fun in that area of the game and still dip my toes into pve or pve soloing which is something I've done and continue to do to this day.
I'll just be honest. My big draw to want to play Classic right now even with all of the faults it has is that my character has a definitive BIS end game. There are certain items that are BIS. They do not Titanforge. They do not warforge. .
I agree about the titanforging and warforging. That is something I hate with a passion. I don't want some random LFR player to get the same gear as me! that would really suck because my guild and I work hard for the gear that we get.
11/02/2018 09:15 PMPosted by Kozzae11/02/2018 08:38 PMPosted by VestamavraAnyone could put in whatever they want and make some strange build that works well; not the current icy veins, Ravenholdt, or wowhead cookie cutter guide that works best.
What you may have missed is that there was a “cookie cutter build”, and many of the sites you mentioned actually started out during this time period. There was always a more proficient path of talents in most cases. It was just a matter of putting the minimum amount of passive talents to get the desired active at the bottom.
As far as grouping it’s good to see that again. The only problem that really requires it though is the time limit to trial, as well as the fact that mobs are only single tap when solo again, so grouping is really the most efficient way to complete quests in the time limit.
"I understand that back then there was some-what of a cookie cutter build, but even then it still had a lot of variety."
11/02/2018 08:48 PMPosted by ElierraRight. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
Because killing Argus LFR for the 30th time with 6 of the same trinket and 1 titanforge is better?
11/02/2018 08:38 PMPosted by VestamavraI noticed that right off the bat so many people were grouped up together, fighting on Azeroth TOGETHER. I've never seen such hype for the game
wut... have you not been around at the launch of new expansions or patches? and fighting together is cause limited amount of mobs + no shared mob tags = lots of ppl at one area doing same quests.
The hype and interest around the classic demo is going to mean lots of people around those 2 zones, especially with the limited number of servers.
The next thing I noticed was the talent tree. It was foreign to me at first, but I liked it. Anyone could put in whatever they want and make some strange build that works well; not the current icy veins, Ravenholdt, or wowhead cookie cutter guide that works best. I understand that back then there was some-what of a cookie cutter build, but even then it still had a lot of variety
sry but no, there are cookie-cutter builds in classic just like modern wow. After 15 years, people know exactly which classes, talents, builds are the best. In the past, you would also go to websites to figure stuff out, thottbot it was called As for the gear, again, the best for your class has all been figured out, down to where u get the gear, how u get the gear and so on... vanilla wow is literally figured out.
Not just talents and gear, leveling process has been "solved" for classic... people know exactly which quests to take, in what order, which mobs to grind, annnd so on. Unless you are just blindly going to talent up and level, then vanilla wow is as cookie cutter as they come. And again, you can also not look at sites with modern wow and spec/gear as you want, works both ways.
To get to the point, I think Classic/Vanilla WoW (at least the leveling process) is better than current.
in what way? the only thing classic wow has over modern wow in terms of leveling is that you got stuff at every level rather than the droughts we have in modern wow where you don't get anything for a few levels, which is real meh experience indeed.
But modern leveling is more enjoyable and faster/streamlined than classic. While you may not like the stories compared to classic (that's just preference), the quests in each zone (post-cata) are complete and with the scaling system, content actually never runs out. Modern wow leveling has issues for sure, but it doesn't have gaps in levels where you need to just grind/farm mobs for xp. Modern also has many quality of life additions like early mounts, flying, portals and so on to assist in getting around. So on and so forth.
You can level a character up in a week or so which took literal MONTHS to do in classic.... so many people complain that modern wow leveling is slow and !@#$, yet vanilla is even worse xD
In current, you queue up for dungeons and wait, but in Vanilla you need friends to communicate.
who says so? You can level in modern wow by communicating with people if you want. Or you go do quests and follow the zones. Or you can queue for dungeons. Or you can grind mobs... annnd so on. No one is forcing you to queue and wait -_-
I agree that classic leveling did require more grouping and involved more communication as a result, it was not the single-player-ish experience it is today. But modern wow leveling is not "queue and wait" after the scaling system was introduced.
I also think that the talent system is better, I don't have to change specs, I talent into them. I feel like I have more freedom and that's what wow needs; freedom to explore with purpose and to talent into whatever.
True in terms of choice, but objectively speaking, many talents in classic are just things like passive bonuses with small increases to skills, e.g. 5% cd reduction, less mana and so on. Kiiiinda like them azerite traits we currently have eh xP
Modern wow has talents that, on their own, are more interesting and deep than simple passive bonuses. Of course, I'm not defending any bad traits and balancing issues and whatnot, that's whole other topic.
So ya, i do agree that being able to go into more than one talent tree is interesting and you get that feeling of choice, which is cool. Though, again, cookie cutter builds are there in classic more-so than they exist now imo.
Not some dumb Azerite system to try and cover up the missing talents from Legion.
lul, ya the current azerite traits are meh overall but the new ones coming next patch do look more interesting and impactful.
Glad to see you liked it. I also love vanilla and cannot wait for the release.
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11/02/2018 09:24 PMPosted by PlagueboarBecause killing Argus LFR for the 30th time with 6 of the same trinket and 1 titanforge is better?
wut? you do know there is LFR, normal, heroic and mythic versions of each raid.
And I hope you realise than classic wow will have no new content whereas modern wow will get new content/raids so you aren't going to be farming the same bosses until you die. People don't kill the same boss on the same difficulty 30 times over in a single patch cause new content comes out or you move to higher difficulty.
End of expansion raids/bosses are of course the exception but that's been true since vanilla. Also, again, you can always go to higher difficulties for end of xpac bosses.
And that was part of his point, that classic is going to be the same content that you will be farming over and over and over to get gear of such low drop rates.... which you then will use to continue farming the same bosses over and over.
11/02/2018 08:51 PMPosted by ZipzøYou for real? We like all that !@#$ you just said. The harder the journey, the more awesome it feels to complete it.11/02/2018 08:48 PMPosted by ElierraRight. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
Lol I'm sure you're also probably complaining about no flying but suddenly all is well and good if everything takes super long and is really annoying in Classic.
Right. Let's see how enjoyable it is after you've killed Ragnaros for the 30th time and are still at only 4/8 for your tier set.
Or after running BRD and UBRS for the 100th time to help attune a new person to MC/BWL or farm fire resist gear.
At least there are tier sets in Vanilla lmao
11/02/2018 08:51 PMPosted by ZipzøYou for real? We like all that !@#$ you just said. The harder the journey, the more awesome it feels to complete it.
You for real? Many people did not like what he just said, hence why blizzard made changes in future expansions/patches to that effect.
and I think u mean the more tedious the journey = more fun it is for you, cause classic is not hard, it is tedious. And hey, if you like grinding and enjoy playing tedium, no probs, you do you~
11/02/2018 09:55 PMPosted by InotheranLol I'm sure you're also probably complaining about no flying but suddenly all is well and good if everything takes super long and is really annoying in Classic.
yup, the same people who whine about modern wow leveling and yet classic is infinitely more time consuming and boring/grindy but that's somehow okay cause its classic. Or the people who hate current wow rotations and game-play speed yet classic is somehow better when it's even slower and with more downtime..?..
not defending the BFA GCD changes btw, just that gameplay is faster and more streamlined now than in classic.
wut... have you not been around at the launch of new expansions or patches? and fighting together is cause limited amount of mobs + no shared mob tags = lots of ppl at one area doing same quests.
yes I have been around for the launch of BFA. But anyways Isn't that why you make group? so you can fight/tag the mobs together? that's how my group came to be.
11/02/2018 09:38 PMPosted by Alyaneasry but no, there are cookie-cutter builds in classic just like modern wow. After 15 years, people know exactly which classes, talents, builds are the best. In the past, you would also go to websites to figure stuff out, thottbot it was called As for the gear, again, the best for your class has all been figured out, down to where u get the gear, how u get the gear and so on... vanilla wow is literally figured out.
Not just talents and gear, leveling process has been "solved" for classic... people know exactly which quests to take, in what order, which mobs to grind, annnd so on. Unless you are just blindly going to talent up and level, then vanilla wow is as cookie cutter as they come. And again, you can also not look at sites with modern wow and spec/gear as you want, works both ways.
I do agree with this point that everything is figured out and I wish that to not be the case, but this is the only chance for me to experience I have missed. I also understand it was not perfect, nothing is, but even so to me its fun. i'm sure you had a fun time when you launched up the game for the first time?
11/02/2018 09:38 PMPosted by AlyaneaI agree that classic leveling did require more grouping and involved more communication as a result, it was not the single-player-ish experience it is today. But modern wow leveling is not "queue and wait" after the scaling system was introduced.
I think I was kinda wrong with the statement "queue and wait" what I was trying to get across is more about the communication and grouping processes. I rarely ask people to level with me because there is no point when I could just queue and get it done faster then waiting for my friends.
So ya, I do agree that being able to go into more than one talent tree is interesting and you get that feeling of choice, which is cool. Though, again, cookie cutter builds are there in classic more-so than they exist now imo.
I guess more of what i'm rooting for in modern wow to have more of a talent tree type thing. while we do have azerite traits I do not feel like its enough.