- WotLK class balance is better
- The leveling is better
- Heirlooms we could do without for sure.
If the fabled Classic+ was ever to come to life, I genuinely believe it should be based upon the WotLK client.
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Wrath was never Classic, neither was tbc. They are both retail progression realms. Classic+ launches in Classic Era’s Phase 7.
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Yea I disagree.
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Classic wow is Classic era wow. Classic+ should be based on that.
If you want the most balanced version of the game with easiest leveling then retail has all that - they’re not defining features of “classic” wow.
If the aim is to make the best modern version of wow you can make, then that project belongs in retail.
Also - without offering objective measures of what makes “better leveling”, and “better class balance” your view is entirely subjective.
I happen to prefer the leveling experience of Vanilla, and I like asymmetric class “balance” that older mmos had - such as vanilla (I actually think TBC got the right balance here). I like niches and think the “bring the player not the class” model is a bit boring - good for altaholics (which I am not). Without objective measures it’s just your personal preference vs mine.
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So what does Blizzard mean when they say “relive the classic”? Because technically this should be Wrath reforged, not classic. Classic refers to the original iteration of wrath.
Some people see Vanilla as a classic, TBC and Wrath as well. They are all classics when it comes to the history of WoW. You guys are trying to change what classic means to attempt to justify changing Wrath from what it originally was but then we arent really reliving the classic now are we?
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It’s just marketing man. Do you think anybody considers cata Classic? At least there is wiggle room for an argument for Wrath lmao. It’s all purely marketing.
You mean do you think anybody considers cata a classic. Yes, people do. Classic, even through marketing (until Wrath) was a no changes from the original version of that expansion. It was not marketed as “Wrath that is like vanilla” if that was how it was marketed then you would have a point, but it wasnt. It even says “relive the classic” on the main page for Wrath Classic.
This is actually Wrath Reforged because it is not the classic game, whether you want to say its a recreation to keep the spirit of vanilla (not what classic means) or if its saying the classic that is Wrath. Its been butchered from what it was and has M+ lite yet I dont see people like you arguing against it because that kind of system clearly isnt classic-like.
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Wrath can’t keep the “spirit of vanilla” because the playerbase and content itself is retail in design philosophy. Same really goes for TBC, but TBC hid it better.
Do people want to play these versions as their own “Classic” of course. Cata and MoP will both have their own tourist playerbases just like Wrath and TBC had. WoW is a game that has 3 generations of players, maybe 4. Some started in MoP/Legion/BfA etc.
I don’t even play Wrath, I play DF and Era. I have no reason to defend it or be against it anymore. I’ll only play the progression realms as a tourist from now on. I missed Firelands and all of MoP so it’ll be nice to try those.
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NOOOOOO, tbc is better thing to base vanilla plus on. For that matter the meme specs in vanilla become useful for the buffs they bring which are on par with world buffs as in having a ele or enhance in your dps group is 2-3 world buffs in itself. As for wrath talents the fact that you need 51 to reach the final ability means to get that you can’t take any talents in other trees which is limiting. People loved the 2week prepatch for tbc because of the new abilities and that certain specs became viable while keeping some unique differences.
As for heirlooms they work in wrath where leveling is seen as more the thing you do but in vanilla things like the sm/rfd/mara upgrades are treasured is a general lack of gear.
#NoChanges died befored the 2019 launch. None of the expansions are Classic WoW. The Dark Portal Pass illustrates that perfectly.
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You keep dreaming, we will play Cata+ Classic.
No it really doesnt. The Dark Portal pass really does nothing to the game, and absolutely nothing in terms of gameplay so TBC is still as close as they could get to the original expansion with or without the Dark Portal.
You got a boost, a mount (going to get anyways) bags (going to get anyways) weapon skills (going to get anyways) Azeroth Flight Paths (who cares) and friendly to your race’s faction (again it doesnt matter) and some crappy gear.
The Dark Portal Pass didnt add new difficulties, it didnt change the ilvl and balance of the game, it did none of that. TBC was essentially TBC. Wrath, isnt Wrath.
Your post exemplifies why you now play with the WoW Token and why Classic Era, the true Classic WoW, does not.
No, the reason why Wrath has the WoW Token is because of the rampant illegal gold buying. Dont want the WoW Token dont buy gold.
it’s not Classic.
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Is because of the rampant gold buying, not because Wrath isnt classic.
The token and Classic WoW are mutually exclusive.
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They arent. But whatever you want to tell yourself.
Classic era needs wow tokens !!!
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Nah. It would cease being Classic WoW then. Go putter away in retail, Blood Elf.