Classic Rogue Leveling: "Does it get better?"

I normally post on this dude > https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/aerie-peak/wulm but I couldn’t link THIS character so. I’ve hit a wall, and it might just be that Classic ain’t for me.

Brief context: So, I started in Wrath, 3.1. I used to play mostly PVE as sub, because I wanted shadowstep. I got a taste of leveling lockpicking, but I would say I didn’t know how to actually play rogue until MoP or even WoD, basically.

I don’t know the exact breakdown but I’m leveling as straight up combat swords for now, just so I can bypass mob facing reqs.

My question, is there a point in a Rogue’s road to 60 where, if I play with proper environmental awareness, I’ll be corpse running a bit less? You see it less with scaling nowadays but I remember a time where certain specs are just absolute garbage until they get a specific talent or ability (Brewmaster still has this)

Thanks in advance for any comments, even the gitgud ones.

Fortunately it gets better once you hit 50-55 or in Vanilla when you hit your major last talent in the talent tree.

Rogue and Warrior are the slowest to level, and when I played Vanilla or now Classic as its now called taking on one mob at a time was normal to blast you and had to feast or fathom.

People wanted this to return but yet complain they have to CC or run out of mana. Wrath brought the AOE kingdom and people still have yet to ween themselves from AOE, as I remember in Cata I believe, the CC was brought back and there were complaints galore and Blizzard fixed. Why CC went.

When you learn vanish, at least, stop the corpose walking. What I do, when a mob is hard (3+ lv dif), just put double crippling poison, spend all energy, rupture and kite to regain energy. Also you can heal with first aid if needed. Thats almost the only way I found to solo some elits from quests.

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Been sub the whole time. Dig it, no issues.

Things get dicey i just vanish or sprint and run. I am daggers so it is slower, but I just focus down one at a time, one after the other.

and based on your words…

  1. from level 1 you can do this
  2. this applies to all classes

I mainly do 1 mob at a time. Only 2 if evasion is up. Sap on ahead of time. Blind. Gouge to bandages. Later you get Prep to reset all your CDs. So I can have 2 evasion, 2 blinds, etc.

Most I do is 3, at same level or lower…maybe 1 higher. Sap one, blind one, evasion the rest of the way. Some time I need to vanish to reset the fight,but now the group has less mobs. Can even evasion take some elites.

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Playing rogue is all about picking your battles. You can’t face tank a horde of enemies and end the fight at full health like retail. The people above me gave some good tips. Also you can pull a mob from a group and keep backing up until the extras reset. It requires some open space to run back far enough and spacial awareness, but is really useful for picking apart groups.

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Hey guys, Ducksounds here - thanks for the comments, that is good to hear that vanish will give me some control back.

In my defense:

-First aid/healing: yeah I have first aid well skilled, I debated keeping linen to make gold, but no - I need those bandages. Also, even though most people went herb/skin I just went full into Alchemy, and boy, it’s been a lifesaver.

-Environmental awareness: funnily, I have gotten surprised by a mob repopping, so, what can one do.

I’ll keep at it. I only wanted to play 1 character in Classic, and it was either gonna be rogue, warlock or druid. And considering how much I love rogue, I wanted to see what this iteration of rogue was like. I gather once I start using poisons I’ll have an easier go of it.

Thanks again all.

90% of my corpse runs are pvp related tbh. I have a decade of WoW experience so that certainly helps.

My biggest tip is, control your pulls. It’s okay to just walk away and reset if you aggro too much.

Once you get all your tools you won’t have to worry about dying much. Blind, sap, Sprint, evasion, and especially Vanish. As you’ve found, bandages and heal pots help a ton. Luckily I’ve picpocketed all the healing pots I can use and more. :wink:

As you fight keep looking around you. You can rotate the cam without rotating you character.

Also just be careful with vanish. It does NOT work like it works in retail. You are NOT guaranteed x seconds of stealth, it just give “improved” stealth. So…if you are dotted you come back out. If you have the major bad luck of timing it wrong, you can vanish AS a mob swings…go in stealth…then get hit right out. :confused:

Honestly? After level 22 you really shouldn’t be dying that much, keep vanish and use it when you get low, if you havn’t been pickpocketing everything you come across, start! you get boxes, food and potions, I honestly get so many of the damn things I put the healing pots up on the AH for easy gold and pass them out in groups to help prevent wipes.

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^^ this so much, but yeah, you’ll find that the mobs are under tuned and you’re weak af, but hey. it is a lot of fun to take 45 seconds to kill a single mob, to have to find regents for abilities, have to stock up on throwing weapons, hold bag space for vanishing powder, etc etc. classic is fun in a way, but I personally like the quality of life improvements made over the years in retail. I don’t like the ap grind in retail or the homogenization of speccs / classes. but over all retail is a better game than classic.