Classic raids have to be redesigned

They are just too easy for the modern raider.

For sake of classics longevity all future phase raids boss fights should be completely redesigned and retuned

Classic raids should be on par with 1st week heroic raids of retail in regards to difficulty.

Where as right now they aren’t even on par with LFR

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They didn’t bring back classic as a challenge for the ‘modern raider’

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You’re either a terrible troll, or just too dense to understand the point of bring back Classic.

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How many people’s first thoughts were like, “wow classic is out, time to raid molten core!”

Lol

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Just add TBC servers so we can leave the #nochanges crowd behind.

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The nochanges crown wants tbc with out flying

I cant wait til the TBC is announced then i can start telling people “if you dont like it, go back to Classic!”

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I want flying in TBC server. Surely I can’t be alone.

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You know that classic was not brought back to be a challenge to the tippy top .001% of raiders that spend 600 attempts at end game mobs right?

FFS

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Why would the modern raider be the standard by which we tune?

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No thanks.

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Those are called the Classic+ crowd. NoChanges, if we were clamoring for BC, would … well I think you know.

They brought them back to emulate the vanilla experience. All the more reason to redesign and retune the fights to make the experience closer to vanilla.

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Omg players are much better now than 15 years ago!!
And that’s why raids should be nerfed because challenge is bad!!

That was never the goal. The goal was to make the Vanilla world available again; the “experience” is an amorphous, personal criteria that can’t be quantified the same way for everyone.

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Good thing Classic isnt for ‘the modern raider’, then.

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Exactly. Their stated purpose was not to give us some enhanced version. That would be something more along the lines of classic+

Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I find MC to actually be somewhat of a challenge. Some bosses are a face roll and die in 2 minutes with 30 people, but others are actually a fun challenge getting everyone coordinated and on the same page. My group also has suboptimal specs and typically runs with 30-35 people, but still.

I don’t find it face roll like others think it is. Its about on par with a retail LFR, which as we all know, is actually possible to wipe on if you make a lot of mistakes.

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It’s incredible how many folks missed the idea that Classic is a museum piece. A testament to one of the foundation blocks of modern gaming. It doesn’t “need” anything beyond what’s already on the docket for it (essential fixes like the demo shout bug being the obvious exceptions)

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Most of the “mC iS eAsY” crowd are just larping stuff they saw private server players say in a twitch stream. I very much suspect your average guild will not be 1 shotting everything in mc (and bwl when it comes out), regardless of whether it’s easy for good players or not.

But ya, they didn’t really start properly tuning raids until aq/naxx. Until then if mc is “too easy”, do what every good guild will be doing and start going for competitive parses. Sure it’s easy to get down, but there’s a world of a difference between a 3 hour mc and a 30 minute mc. And having good parses relies on the other 39 players as much as it does you.

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