Adding new spells/talent/zones/raids… is basically a new expansion. it’s fine we can have Classic+ or SoD, but don’t call it Classic+ because it’s no longer Vanilla.
SoD is already a Beta version of Classic+ and it’s ghost town btw.
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Yes…
Some people’s definitions of Classic+ sounds a lot like TBC, or any other expansion.
Classic isn’t exclusive to Vanilla content. Classic 2019 already had several changes that weren’t Vanilla-like, and it consequently became the Classic servers, commonly named “Classic” in the files (currently MoP Classic).
Perhaps SoD is Classic+.
Is it?
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Wait… SoD is still around?
SoD was sold as “Classic with a plus”. So yes, it is Blizzard’s take on Classic+.
But it was set up more as a testing grounds for a proper Classic+. And I don’t think that was a mistake but very much intentional. That Blizzard used SoD to see where the line between “Classic” and “not Classic” is drawn. And from what I’ve seen a lot of people considered SoD to be more like Retail minus than Classic plus, which suggest Blizzard overshoot their mark.
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You’ll have to provide some sort of reference for this, if you’re going to make such a claim.
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“New additions that feel at home in original wow”
This could easily be a descriptor for classic+ and it was how it was sold.
It could easily be a descriptor for almost anything, and doesn’t seem as though it would have to exclude new additions that wouldn’t feel at home either.
However, I asked for a reference, not an referenced statement in quotation marks.
EDIT: I was able to find something using a search engine search like this: “New additions that feel at home in original wow”, site: blizzard.com
So, feel free to cite this source while supporting whichever claims you’d like to about what it’s intending to state.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1rcs9mmf-s
18:20 “familiar settings and characters, new mechanics”
14:18 “new additions that feel at home in original wow”
“The idea here is that these things feel like a natural part of azeroth as it was in this point in wow’s history” - 14:22
Go ahead and tell me how SoD is different than classic+
I mean, look at what I’ve stated that you come at me with such a command.
Sounds like op is upset that classic+ is very big on pservers rn and if blizzard brings it to classic era will die out even more XD
So you ask for a source for “sod was sold as classic+”
While saying that SoD is classic+?
Maybe figure out a coherent thought before you spew your words everywhere
What I asked for was a source for any such claim that follows:
Likewise. Asking for a reference to be cited is not disagreement. It’s relatively common practice in most information sharing exchanges where the receiver of such information is wanting verification to substantiate truth or fact.
When discussing something a baseline knowledge of the topic is expected. If you’re going to talk about sod you should have at least a little knowledge of it
I wasn’t aware that you were the dictator of rules on these forums.
Regardless, now you seem to be just coming at me for no apparent reason. I hope whatever is going on in your life that you are attacking some random poster on the forums that it works out for you.
To recap, a poster made a claim. I asked for a reference. A reference was given, that perhaps somewhat supports such a claim, though that’s being rather liberal, I suppose.
Classic+ isn’t strictly defined, but rather seems to have different meanings to different people. Saying that there “hidden secrets all over Azeroth designed to feel at home in Original WoW” isn’t exactly selling SoD as Classic+.
Perhaps we could get to the heart of the matter. Is anybody attempting to claim that SoD was different from what it was stated to be?
Maybe people attack you because you are rude, condescending, and add no value
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I’m not sure where this comes from, but you are free to have your own opinion.
I’d point out that citations in this thread are thanks to me, which is the greatest value in this thread, according to me.
I.e. almost all value in this thread came from me.
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I quoted it, assuming the person you are talking to lacks the ability to perform basic google searches is very condescending.
It wasn’t needed, thats like saying you needed a citation to say theres water in the ocean. Its common knowledge why would you need a source?
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Ghost town? Hmmmm I wonder why lol and it’s not because what you think it is i can guarantee you that.
If classic+ is a vanilla repeat with tiny changes or adjustments, then it is DOA.
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That is just a false equivalence fallacy - though in some cases it might be worth discussing what is meant by water, as salt water certainly isn’t drinking water, and that may be an important distinction depending on the context.
And frankly, the quote given doesn’t seem to be accurate, nor does it actually support the statement.
Regardless though, let’s stick to the topic: Classic+ isn’t Classic is the title of the thread, and the OP made some statements.
One of the more interesting ones, at least in my opinion was that it seems that many people have an idea of what Classic+ is that does not seem much different from an expansion.
I’ve posted some of my thoughts on that in a reply to that.
“Ummm actually you do need a source to say theres water in the ocean111!!!”
Okay i stopped reading there.
https://imgur.com/a/rr4Oic0
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Do you consider turtle and epoch to have tiny or massive changes and adjustments?