Im planning a lock starting tonight, and am somewhat torn between undead and orc.
I do not like the look of the undead, and while its clear they have an advantage racially speaking PvE wise with orcs perhaps having it PvP wise or whenever running pets.
I’m wondering how big a difference it really is or if it matters that much when your talking a combined PvE and PvP game modes play style?
Thoughts?
Orc would be better. Orc racial increases your pet damage, plus you get the stun reduction for pvp.
It’s WOTF and cannibalize vs pets that do slightly more damage and stun resistance. Either choice is good.
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I would have preferred Undead, I like everything about them, but that sweet stun resist for Orcs was too much to resist. Primarily a pvp’er here ymmv.
This gets asked a lot. Both are good. Orc is slightly favored in pvp for the stun resist IMO. When I make a warlock it will be orc.
It depends on if you hate rogue or the ditto match up more in PvP. Orc straight up doesn’t have a racial in PvE though.
Sounds kinda like I thought, if PvE only go undead, if pvp or both orc might have a slight advantage especially whenever using pets… does that about sum it up?
You can’t go wrong. Wotf is super strong. Orc racials are also super strong.
Pick whichever you like better aesthetically.
Join the walking corpse gang 
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Orc warlocks are mean, green, and super loreful to boot. They are defensively (Hardiness) and offensively (with Command) powerful, and they are an obvious choice if you also happen to prefer their aesthetic over the forsaken.
Also, zug zug.
My understanding is the meta for high end premades ranking up is undead. I like kicking the snot out of rogues so I picked orc.
Undead no brainer, more int, more spirit, you don’t use pets in pve ds/ruin or noob. And in pvp wotf and cannibalize are too good.
I went Undead and wouldn’t change it. I use cannibalize all the time. It saves on downtime and in PvP I have gotten fears off, then used it to heal a bit and turned the tide of that battle. That stun resist is great, but I play an orc warrior as well and the resist is unreliable, whereas WotF and Cannibalize are on demand.
Yeah well, that ain’t me 
I’m casual, play for fun, have done very little ranked or arenas. I’m a little surprised that would be the case for PvP though unless were assuming sacrifice is the meta which negates the orc bonus.
DS is the meta, and in pvp with naxx gear it’s also the meta.
Is it? I’d think SL is better if you were going to be that deep in Demo. For PvP, that is.
30/21/0 Sm/DS is pvp god with 600+ spell damage.
One of the beauties of the warlock class is that all three trees are viable in pvp and you can design a build that fits your style. You will see a lot of locks running SM/Ruin with a succubus out.
IMO pvp advantage is way more important than pve. The raids are all well known and beatable, while if you ever chose to pvp you would be best served by the BiS racial. That said, I am still playing NE over dwarf hunter so 
Uhh I mean if you’re cool with being a free target without deahtcoil up then sure.
SM/Ruin would be better if you’re looking to nuke people in good gear.
SL is overall the easiest way to kill people in pvp throughout all of vanilla.