Classic Fresh RP server when?

Blizzard, there is literally a 2k-message-long thread about the need to have a roleplaying server in the Classic Forum.

Why there is no Fresh RP server this time? Why there is no communication about this?

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I’m pretty sure Customer Support has no insight into that, nor any responsibility to pass on your suggestion.

Post in Classic General Discussion if you wish to address the people who decide these things.

Editing to add: looks like it’s been relocated into Classic General Discussion, where it belonged from the beginning.

Thank you for your proposal, but as I just said, there is already

literally a 2k-message-long thread about the need to have a roleplaying server in the Classic Forum,

and no indication whatsoever that anyone from Blizzard has actually noticed it.

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They’re using SoD’s poor RP server performance as an excuse to not have RP servers now.

They nuked Chaos Bolt for being “Too low pop” despite the server having 10,000 people online at any one time and a population upswing.

They nuked the RP server they forced the CB RPers to transfer to if they didn’t want to go to CS.

They changed CS from an RPPVP server to a pure PVP server.

The devs are not part of the RP community and have no interest in fostering it.
They’re more interested in making the game as fun as possible for the tourists who will quit after a month and getting bored in the mid-40s.

Remember, this single mega-server is “The best way to enjoy Classic WoW™!”, nevermind that the layers prevent large scale wPVP events.
Forget that the layers actively inhibit any natural RP from taking place.
Dismiss the fact that layers still apply in the Major Cities unlike in Retail where they removed that restriction so people could RP.

It’s very very clear that Blizzard does not care about the RP community that exists on WoW despite the fact that the RP community is what made some of WoW’s most famous videos.

All of those Oxhorn videos from the Vanilla/TBC/Wrath heydey?
RP community.

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I play on the PvP server and I find plenty of RP , honestly it’s pointless to have a RP server as it’s the same as normal server .

Most people are happy to RP if you engage weather it’s RP or PvP server

And I have seen plenty of people on RP servers never Rping so no need for it

Sadly Mokjin is spot on.

Not that people can’t keep asking, but it’s been two weeks now and yes there has been no showing of caring about this part of the playerbase at all. :frowning:

Note that making a server for the OCE players was fine, because of a personal bias of one person regarding what’s important.

The guy who made the ultimate decision doesn’t get it. A post from him really opened my eyes to their thought process, where the reason that all players play is projected onto all even when what is important is blatantly wrong for many of the people being talked to.

I’ll just post his full message to the frustrated RP players on Chaos Bolt after he decided to end a server that had a population that for a Classic 2019 server pre-TBCC would have been considered very healthy. It highlights the decision-making for the Anniversary server, the overall bias, and the egotism Note that the other RP PVE option was also closed shortly after this:

Quoted below is the full long post from Tom Ellis on X:" / X:
"Ok, for disgruntled Chaos Bolters, first, I absolutely understand and acknowledge your feelings. This is the gross and uncomfortable reality of realm management. Every time someone wades into the realm management discussion on the team this is a great example of the impossible problems that it faces.

Let’s break this down a bit, I can’t make you all happy but I can at least give you the perspectives you’re missing (this isn’t a fault, you’re doing the very human thing of looking at yourself and how this impacts you).

If you thought Chaos Bolt was fine, you were happy, your guild was stable, life was good, you found groups in a time that you found reasonable and everything was dandy. But, this is all built on other people. Your guild while successful almost certainly has X number of people that wished it was more hardcore, X number of people that wished it was more casual. The groups you find for random content, you were contented that it took X amount of time to form that group and play, but someone else who joined that group was livid that if took an hour of his precious downtime after the kids went to bed to find a group to do the thing that he wanted to do in WoW that evening. Basically in Seasonal realms, without Paid Character Transfers, a lot of people stick with where they originally rolled due to the time they sunk into those characters. But they’re not happy. They are in fact a ticking timebomb till enough is enough and they just churn out of WoW.

Realm management is full of this, you have people who like the status quo, people who hate the status quo. But all the people that hate the status quo but are staying due to $ costs of transferring (where available) or pure time sunk into characters where transfers aren’t an option, and one way or another, they’re eventually leaving, they will finally reroll on a more populous realm that meets there specific requirements or they stop playing WoW. What this means for the smaller realm is it just gets smaller. Small realms never grow, in WoW’s history, and I’ve done this for many, many, many years. Small realms never find second leases of life.
For Classic we opted for heavy use of FCMs, eating the revenue loss from PCTs as we believed that players together ultimately had more fun and kept playing longer, we play the long game as much as possible with Classic.

For Chaos Bolt specifically, yes. You had a good little realm and some good communities, but the rate of churn of players on the realm tells us all isn’t well, we know that players wanted off to larger realms. Within an hour of opening transfers to Crusader Strike, thousands took those FCMs without a second thought. We make the hard decision that keeping a realm ‘viable’ just a little bit longer on the backs of a bunch of people who don’t really want to be there anymore just isn’t a good feeling. But if you’re in the camp that was happy with the current status quo, this whole decision seems bizarre. We acted now as we felt this was the moment between phases to act so people had some time to move and get established so that you didn’t find yourself on a dead realm come later phases.

Anyhow, as always I hope this gave you some insight and food for thought. We’re never trying to make you unhappy, we genuinely want all of you to be having fun as its good for business and since we all have jobs, we kind of want to keep them. But making everyone happy when it comes to realms is unfortunately impossible so we have to make decisions that we know at least some percentage of players will hate.

Woo, fun. Someone’s going to hate you \o/"

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Many of us still waiting around

Aren’t the existing ones ultra low population?

Wouldn’t adding a new one of the same game mode make the already microscopic RP community ever more spread out and remote?

You say there is a long thread about bit, but aren’t RP players known for long winded conversations? Could some of the enthusiasm you promote be just a few voices shouting at the clouds?

The RP community was forced to move from Era to the newer iterations of Classic.
Much like most of the Classic community.

Why? I am on the old vanilla realm and it works for me, I can get groups for leveling easily, I just finished a SM dungeon without any trouble, and now off to RFD to run that with this same group. Everyone is playing well enough and I’m having a good time. I see a lot of activity in chat for 60 content also.

That’s the whitemane cluster or the PVE cluster.
The RP servers never recovered from TBC as I said.
Lots of people in the RP community get extremely attached to their characters and most them are in Cata or Mists Classic or whatever it’s called now.

The “Vanilla only” & “TBC enthusiast” RP communities are playing on Nightslayer from what I’ve seen but it’s not ideal.
There’s a lot of hostility towards RPers on regular PVP servers.

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I have to imagine this is the reason. Why else would they suddenly decide to entirely exclude a community that has been part of their bread and butter for 20 years?

At this point, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that they don’t think we’re worth it. That’s fine. I just want an official explanation as to why.

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This doesn’t matter to most RP’ers. If the people on the realm are committed to RP then it will be considered a good server, even if it’s only got half the population of normal ones.

I’ve been peeking on the discussions about this for a while and making little comments here and there but we really do need an RP realm for fresh. It just doesn’t make sense not having one.

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Man more like classic wrath era server as a permanent option when?

But yah. We need rp servers for rp people. And of course bc classic era servers as permanent options to.

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I don’t think it will happen, but that won’t stop me from advocating for it. Blizzard wants us to shut up, the Classic Devs will use the complacency of these fresh realms as “proof” that an RP server wasn’t needed or wanted. We need to keep making noise now because even if we don’t get one this go around, we want to be able to have one in the future if they end up doing fresh realms again for any season or otherwise.

This is just like when people were fighting for Classic WoW to begin with, a whole bunch of naysayers (and frankly, idiots) will try and put us down and say there’s no point or reason and that it’ll never happen, but as long as we keep reminding people that we’re here and we have passion, then hopefully someday we will be acknowledged.

I’m playing on Nightslayer, I made an RP-PvP guild, I’m currently level 28 (playing and about to hit 29 in 3 bars), and I would reroll to a fresh RP realm if they decide to open one.

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The entire reason they had The Wall of No was because they were at least communicating about the topic. This has just been “The RP realm thing was a type-o.” Followed by weeks of radio silence.

The only thing I’m still holding onto hope for is that they didn’t want a repeat of what happened last time with streamers & co. setting up shop on the RP realm and ruining it for everyone, so they’re waiting until everyone is nestled in on other realms before they start up an RP option.

Unfortunately that’s all that’s left in the bottom of the hopium tank.

We like small(by Blizzard’s standards) community servers rather than anonymous megaservers. RP also requires its’ own ruleset.

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Thank. You.

Ugh, this is what I’ve been trying to get through the thick heads of these people who are like “wElL jUsT rOlEpLaY oN dReAmScyThE!!”

You really can’t. You need a server that’s made for it, full of like-minded people, or it really doesn’t work the way it should.

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Blizz turned the whole WoW community on its’ head when they dropped the game specific rules.

They used to address rooftop camping and guard evasion specifically.
Now it’s just “No griefing”, well, what exactly is griefing?